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Old 05-15-2008, 05:50 AM
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Re: Sabbath: In A Ditch Regarding the Seventh Day

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First of all I raised the issue of circumcision because you raised the issue of the sabbath proceeding the law. Second of all you have failed to prove that we have to keep the entirety of the 10 commandments.

Third of all I have made many many MANY important arguments against yours....and I am still waiting for a reply
Praxeus...I think the burden is upon you to demonstrate to me that we DON'T have to obey God's moral law. But before you do, be advised of what Jesus said,

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:22 PM
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Re: Sabbath: In A Ditch Regarding the Seventh Day

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Praxeus...I think the burden is upon you to demonstrate to me that we DON'T have to obey God's moral law. But before you do, be advised of what Jesus said,

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
No the burden is all on YOU. YOU made the assertion that the law could be divided into three different laws.

YOU made the assertion that the 10 commandments is THE moral law. You have the burden of proof. What I said was we have a NEW COVENANT...so I need to prove that to you? Do I need to prove to you that the LAW is the MOSAIC LAW given as part of the MOSAIC Covenant God made with Israel? That is basic 101 stuff unless you are a Jew. Come over to the New Covenant and I show you a much better way.

Read the New Covenant and Paul will teach you what is immoral and what is not. He lists all the things that are a sin.....and the works of the flesh. Not once does he mention the Sabbath.

Im sorry but this is basic stuff and I don't see why I should have to revisit something every Christian should know by now that we are NOT under the Old Covenant anymore., The purpose of the Old Covenant is to lead us TO Christ.

Notice the juxtaposition of guardian and law
Gal 3:21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,

Notice Paul does not distinguish between different laws or different sections OF the law. He just says Law. There is just ONE law in the OT and if you broke ONE commandment it was like breaking them all

Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
Jas 2:11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Here is the thing I am trying to get you to do....YOU are the one asserting that the 10 commandments are THE MORAL LAW....in other words everything you wanted to know about what is moral and immoral is right there....and thus that must mean sabbath keeping is a moral issue. You have failed to prove that BUT my point is we are under the NEW COVENANT and not once does the NC mention the Sabbath as a moral code.
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