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Old 05-22-2008, 08:09 AM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't

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NOT a one stepper a NO stepper!

Now the passage with MOUTH confession is made is NOT necessary.

Mental assent alone saves.
Jesus saves, Steve.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:09 AM
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Jesus saves, Steve.
He certainly does BUT NOT without our cooperation.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:22 AM
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He certainly does BUT NOT without our cooperation.
I'd rather call it surrendering rather than cooperation.







Cooperation in your paradign requires "required verbalizations".
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't

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He certainly does BUT NOT without our cooperation.
My dear brother,

When we are weak, He is strong. Throughout the New Testament no one is ever condemned for not having the ability to speak. If God allowed an individual to not be able to speak, He would not condemn that person for something that he does not have. Just like we all would agree if a little baby dies before it believes and it is baptized that it will not go to hell. If one does think that way then he or she is edging closer and closer to the Catholic doctrine of imparted portions of grace that come only through the sacrements of the church. We are called to surrender to him as LORD and Christ.

Now I believe that God could fill a mute person with the Holy Ghost and they will speak in tongues. God could also heal that person, and then we would avoid this whole conversation.
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My dear brother,

When we are weak, He is strong. Throughout the New Testament no one is ever condemned for not having the ability to speak. If God allowed an individual to not be able to speak, He would not condemn that person for something that he does not have. Just like we all would agree if a little baby dies before it believes and it is baptized that it will not go to hell. If one does think that way then he or she is edging closer and closer to the Catholic doctrine of imparted portions of grace that come only through the sacrements of the church. We are called to surrender to him as LORD and Christ.

Now I believe that God could fill a mute person with the Holy Ghost and they will speak in tongues. God could also heal that person, and then we would avoid this whole conversation.
Who condemned someone who could not hear or speak? In this thread I mean.
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