Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't so.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

My purpose in my statements was not provoke division or strife. Nor do I think that my statements represent anyone else beside me. I was simply commenting on how the actions of the 3 steppers that I know personally for many years speak different from what they say.

Without calling anyone persopnally on the floor (I will put this out there because I am many years removed from the UPC and not many people know me know), I was an active minister in one of the largest and most influencial UPC churches that there was and it still is. My pastor at the time strongly preached 3 step doctrine ( and still does) yet he and his family lived lifestyles that few in our blessed country could afford to live. Neverhtheless, he was always one of the first to preach missions and missions giving at the big conferences. THE MAIN POINT IS THAT THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. IF ONLY 3 STEPPERS ARE SAVED HOW CAN SOMEONE JUSTIFY THIS?

If you will also notice, I pointed out that my argument taken to its end is a reflection on all of our lack of effort.

And he preached condemnation of the deaf/mute? Or that anyone that didn't SPEAK in tongues after receving the Holy Ghost, and if the baptizer was mute they were lost? And he preached, but didn't give to missions, and lived a lavish lifestyle? How many years ago was this?

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

And he preached condemnation of the deaf/mute? Or that anyone that didn't SPEAK in tongues after receving the Holy Ghost, and if the baptizer was mute they were lost? And he preached, but didn't give to missions, and lived a lavish lifestyle? How many years ago was this?

What I am saying is that -- deep down inside he didn't believe that only 3 steppers were saved. When my grandmother died, who was a woman of prayer and had dreams and visions of God (but she had not gone through all of the 3 steps). This man turned to my mother and stated we know that she is in a better place now.

In the end, I believe that many 3 steppers profess to be so, but deep down inside they are 1 steppers. Because I being a one stepper don't push for someone to only place faith in Jesus. I command them to buried with Christ and then I pray with them to receive the Holy Ghost. Nevertheless, I do not judge those who have not done this.

Let the 3 steppers call it the light doctrine. But in the end, the are very similar to us.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

What I am saying is that -- deep down inside he didn't believe that only 3 steppers were saved. When my grandmother died, who was a woman of prayer and had dreams and visions of God (but she had not gone through all of the 3 steps). This man turned to my mother and stated we know that she is in a better place now.

In the end, I believe that many 3 steppers profess to be so, but deep down inside they are 1 steppers. Because I being a one stepper don't push for someone to only place faith in Jesus. I command them to buried with Christ and then I pray with them to receive the Holy Ghost. Nevertheless, I do not judge those who have not done this.

Let the 3 steppers call it the light doctrine. But in the end, the are very similar to us.

Okay, got it. I am kinda slow sometimes, but don't tell anyone else. I am not a stepper kind of person. Took me a long time after being on AFF to figure some of it out.