STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Songs!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by rrford

The truth is that songs or messages about the blood, Calvary, the Rapture, hell, eternity, etc. do not move people anymore. This generation has become desensitized to most anything that would affect their emotions.

If truth be known, the pastor is probably not seeing the emtional response he wants to see and is blaming it on the content of the songs that should bring conviction in favor of "feel good" songs that absolve folks from feeling conviction. JMHO.

You are saying the cross no longer convicts??

now I would concur that hell no longer scares anyone

when our church sings songs about the blood, especially when we reach back to the old ones, they are always effective. I am frankly tired of us trying to lower the bar to appease sinners who have little or no knowledge of God. why should we gage our services strictly according to their standard?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by StMark

You are saying the cross no longer convicts??

now I would concur that hell no longer scares anyone

when our church sings songs about the blood, especially when we reach back to the old ones, they are always effective. I am frankly tired of us trying to lower the bar to appease sinners who have little or no knowledge of God. why should we gage our services strictly according to their standard?

As a rule such songs and messages do not move people the way they used to. I travel extensively and am amazed at the seeming calloused disinterest in such topics when they are preached. I am not saying there is never a response. Just a general malaise that seems to be slipping in upon the church at large.

The cross should always convict. But let us not forget that at the actual Calvary the majority of folks mocked, ridiculed and gambled while the blood flowed. Only a few were actually moved.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by rrford

As a rule such songs and messages do not move people the way they used to. I travel extensively and am amazed at the seeming calloused disinterest in such topics when they are preached. I am not saying there is never a response. Just a general malaise that seems to be slipping in upon the church at large.

The cross should always convict. But let us not forget that at the actual Calvary the majority of folks mocked, ridiculed and gambled while the blood flowed. Only a few were actually moved.

Yea, I remember when Hell fire or the rapture was preached, people would run to the alter. now, people yawn while you talk about those things.
I wonder made people so hardened. maybe the movies? I'm not sure.

I think that's why XUPC churches and non denom. churches like warran and Osteen are preaching the Doc Phil 12 step program type sermons.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by StMark

Yea, I remember when Hell fire or the rapture was preached, people would run to the alter. now, people yawn while you talk about those things.
I wonder made people so hardened. maybe the movies? I'm not sure.

I think that's why XUPC churches and non denom. churches like warran and Osteen are preaching the Doc Phil 12 step program type sermons.

I made the statement to a group of young ministers a month or so ago that not only did the previous 15 years or so bring an overall desensitization to the America and the church, that desensitization has now led to indifference.

Not only do people not feel anything anymore, they do not care that they do not feel anything anymore. Now self-justification runs rampant and like James said "They forget what manner of man they saw in the mirror. Desensitization that leads to indifference is one step from extinction, IMHO.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by rrford

I made the statement to a group of young ministers a month or so ago that not only did the previous 15 years or so bring an overall desensitization to the America and the church, that desensitization has now led to indifference.

Not only do people not feel anything anymore, they do not care that they do not feel anything anymore. Now self-justification runs rampant and like James said "They forget what manner of man they saw in the mirror. Desensitization that leads to indifference is one step from extinction, IMHO.

I have been really thinking about this RR. They do not care that they do not feel anything anymore. Apathy, even about themselves much less others. Is that being a repobate?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by rrford

I made the statement to a group of young ministers a month or so ago that not only did the previous 15 years or so bring an overall desensitization to the America and the church, that desensitization has now led to indifference.

Not only do people not feel anything anymore, they do not care that they do not feel anything anymore. Now self-justification runs rampant and like James said "They forget what manner of man they saw in the mirror. Desensitization that leads to indifference is one step from extinction, IMHO.

I can't argue you with that R. Nothing but the real anointing is going to do in this day. Even the churches that are thriving off of gimicks will come to knot eventually. Unless the LOrd sends another great awakening or Day of Pentecost to America, I predict you will see many churches start closing their doors in the years to come. I hate to sound negative, but that's how i see it

[Esther]

Originally Posted by StMark

I can't argue you with that R. Nothing but the real anointing is going to do in this day. Even the churches that are thriving off of gimicks will come to knot eventually. Unless the LOrd sends another great awakening or Day of Pentecost to America, I predict you will see many churches start closing their doors in the years to come. I hate to sound negative, but that's how i see it

God's Glory will only stay in true worshipping churches. You can mark that down!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rrford

I made the statement to a group of young ministers a month or so ago that not only did the previous 15 years or so bring an overall desensitization to the America and the church, that desensitization has now led to indifference.

Not only do people not feel anything anymore, they do not care that they do not feel anything anymore. Now self-justification runs rampant and like James said "They forget what manner of man they saw in the mirror. Desensitization that leads to indifference is one step from extinction, IMHO.

I'm seeing the same thing in families. How many still have family reunions where nearly all still attend? The older ones yes. But the younger generation is doing their own thing.

So not only is the church family experiencing changes so is the natural families.

BUT remember if the enemy can first destroy the home, then the church, then the nation.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Esther

I'm seeing the same thing in families. How many still have family reunions where nearly all still attend? The older ones yes. But the younger generation is doing their own thing.

So not only is the church family experiencing changes so is the natural families.

BUT remember if the enemy can first destroy the home, then the church, then the nation.

Very good thought Esther.

We are all getting together tomorrow... sort of an annual thing we do in honor of my late father and patriarch of the family. Elam N Hoover

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by rrford

I made the statement to a group of young ministers a month or so ago that not only did the previous 15 years or so bring an overall desensitization to the America and the church, that desensitization has now led to indifference.

Not only do people not feel anything anymore, they do not care that they do not feel anything anymore. Now self-justification runs rampant and like James said "They forget what manner of man they saw in the mirror. Desensitization that leads to indifference is one step from extinction, IMHO.

I think this is very true. What do you think has caused desensitization? And how can it be overcome?