Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

But holiness will do something to the outer appearance.

Scripture please.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

Scripture please.

Rico,
Interesting question - which scripture?

If He is Holy and He imparts that to us at salvation, why the teaching in the epistles on dress, conduct, etc.?

Doesn't it mean that we go on to perfection/maturity as we follow Christ?

Is the Holiness He imparts to us the end or is it the means by which we grow?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Rico,
Interesting question - which scripture?

If He is Holy and He imparts that to us at salvation, why the teaching in the epistles on dress, conduct, etc.?

Doesn't it mean that we go on to perfection/maturity as we follow Christ?

Is the Holiness He imparts to us the end or is it the means by which we grow?

Sister, I have grown weary of reading this "inner holiness will produce outer holiness appearance (meaning lining up with dress standards)" malarky. The light we are supposed to let shine does indeed come from the inside, but the clothes we wear isn't the switch that turns it on or off.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, I have grown weary of reading this "inner holiness will produce outer holiness appearance (meaning lining up with dress standards)" malarky. The light we are supposed to let shine does indeed come from the inside, but the clothes we wear isn't the switch that turns it on or off.

Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"? Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"

Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.

I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.

I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"? Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"

Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.

I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.

I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear.

good post mp, dt

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

good post mp, dt

Part of it was good, the first part wasn't.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps;482558[B

]Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"?[/B] Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"

Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.

I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.

I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear.

Whatever, Michael. Have you read Timothy lately?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Whatever, Michael. Have you read Timothy lately?

Sure have.

Is there a scripture in there that ties my inward holiness to my outward appearance? Not counting modesty, of course.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sure have.

Is there a scripture in there that ties my inward holiness to my outward appearance? Not counting modesty, of course.

Modesty is outward appearance. Good grief!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"? Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"

Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.

I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.

I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear.

I started thinking after I posted this that I need to make a clarification:

I am not against standards, I do not criticize anyone who adheres to certain standards due to personal preference, and I certainly would never want to be a stumblingblock in the life of a person who felt strongly compelled to abstain from certain practices or appearances that may cause them to falter.

So, please do not accuse me of standard-bashing.

However, let's refer to our standards for what they are - personal choices that aid us in maintaining a consecrated life, not "holiness".

Jesus said, "In vain do you worship me, when you make for DOCTRINE the commandments of men". Jesus didn't have any problem with the man-made commandments, as long as the Pharisees didn't try to tie them to "doctrine".

Once that happened, the Spirit was out of it, and legalism slipped in.

So, please understand my premise - I only get riled when I hear preachers telling folks that they're going to hell over something that the Bible never classifies as a heaven or hell issue.

And, I really get riled up when people think that just because they don't cut their hair, they wear dresses, men don't wear shorts, etc that they've participated in "holiness"!