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06-03-2008, 12:54 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Rico,
Interesting question - which scripture?
If He is Holy and He imparts that to us at salvation, why the teaching in the epistles on dress, conduct, etc.?
Doesn't it mean that we go on to perfection/maturity as we follow Christ?
Is the Holiness He imparts to us the end or is it the means by which we grow?
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Interesting how we selectively apply some of the NT verses and do not apply others. You know the ones that talk about not wearing expensive clothing.
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No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
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06-03-2008, 12:57 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Right and looking at Romans 6:19 "I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness."
Holiness is defined as - purification and sanctification. Therefore, it's a process.
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I see Jesus constantly defining holiness -- as the wholeness of your heart -- not being a divided person but one who loves God supremely and his or her neighbor like ones' self. OUT OF THE HEART FLOWS THE ISSUES OF LIFE.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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06-03-2008, 12:57 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Sister, I have grown weary of reading this "inner holiness will produce outer holiness appearance (meaning lining up with dress standards)" malarky. The light we are supposed to let shine does indeed come from the inside, but the clothes we wear isn't the switch that turns it on or off.
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Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"? Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"
Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.
I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.
I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear.
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06-03-2008, 12:59 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"? Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"
Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.
I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.
I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear. |
good post mp, dt
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06-03-2008, 01:00 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Interesting how we selectively apply some of the NT verses and do not apply others. You know the ones that talk about not wearing expensive clothing.
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Well, actually, I do that. I only wear leather shoes and buy leather purses, but I won't purchase them unless they are on sale. We can still look good and be fashionable. It's not hard these days with all the sales going on all the time.
I bought an Anne Klein coat this past winter. Found that on sale for $50 - bargain!
I think quality is the smart way to shop and then you find it on sale. It's ridiculous and a waste of money to buy cheaply made furniture, clothing, shoes, etc. You'll spend more in the long run.
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06-03-2008, 01:04 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Originally Posted by Rico
Sister, I have grown weary of reading this "inner holiness will produce outer holiness appearance (meaning lining up with dress standards)" malarky. The light we are supposed to let shine does indeed come from the inside, but the clothes we wear isn't the switch that turns it on or off.
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I don't know anyone that is intelligent or has a "sincere" walk with God that believes that, Rico.
If our outward dress wasn't important it would not have been included in the epistles - a woman professing godliness. Notice it also includes "good works".
We understand that the scriptures encompass our behaviour and our outward appearance.
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06-03-2008, 01:04 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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06-03-2008, 01:05 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps;482558[B
]Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"?[/B] Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"
Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.
I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.
I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear. |
Whatever, Michael. Have you read Timothy lately?
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06-03-2008, 01:05 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
cndy you crack me up, often, lol, dt
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06-03-2008, 01:06 PM
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Re: Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Sure they do, Rico, don't you remember what Jesus said to his disciples, "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by your outward appearance"? Seriously, as we all know, it says that "they have love one to another"
Oh, and there is that little scripture in John 7:24 where Jesus says, "Judge not according to appearance.........." but we conveniently forget that one.
I would challenge anyone to show me a scripture in the Bible that links our inward holiness to our outward appearance.
I'm not talking about modesty vs. immodesty, I'm talking about the "standards" that we hold so dear. |
I started thinking after I posted this that I need to make a clarification:
I am not against standards, I do not criticize anyone who adheres to certain standards due to personal preference, and I certainly would never want to be a stumblingblock in the life of a person who felt strongly compelled to abstain from certain practices or appearances that may cause them to falter.
So, please do not accuse me of standard-bashing.
However, let's refer to our standards for what they are - personal choices that aid us in maintaining a consecrated life, not "holiness".
Jesus said, "In vain do you worship me, when you make for DOCTRINE the commandments of men". Jesus didn't have any problem with the man-made commandments, as long as the Pharisees didn't try to tie them to "doctrine".
Once that happened, the Spirit was out of it, and legalism slipped in.
So, please understand my premise - I only get riled when I hear preachers telling folks that they're going to hell over something that the Bible never classifies as a heaven or hell issue.
And, I really get riled up when people think that just because they don't cut their hair, they wear dresses, men don't wear shorts, etc that they've participated in "holiness"!
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