Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.

[Ron]

Yeah & people don't clue in that every standard whether we agree with them or not are rooted in Biblical principle.

Ornaments? Why does one need them?
Because a woman says "I want to look "attractive!" "I want to be "noticed!"

Men are just as prone to this as well.

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Ron

Yeah & people don't clue in that every standard whether we agree with them or not are rooted in Biblical principle.

Ornaments? Why does one need them?
Because a woman says "I want to look "attractive!" "I want to be "noticed!"

Men are just as prone to this as well.

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.

Ron I understand where you are going with this, but there has to be a line drawn with good reason. Just to say it is about pride, would be to tell men they can no longer wear ties, as that is an unnecessary ornament, if you will.

Can that cause men that have jobs requiring suits and ties a problem? Yes it can.

It makes sense to me that some people don't want to wear jewelry as they feel for them it is a sin. And they have scripture they use to support their belief.

It also makes sense to me that some people do want to wear jewelry as they feel for them is is not a sin. And they have scripture they use to support their belief.

The more I see and study these things out the more I see you really need to seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Some areas I see that can be a concern about buying jewelry is that most of the good stuff is really expense. This is an issue with my husband. Before I was back in church he bought me jewelry for Christmas. Now he says he never knows what to buy me.

And we can always say that could have been given to the missionaries, but honestly we could say that about everything. Those fries you had with that hamburger could have gone to the missionaries.

My point being folks are going to have to develop their own relationship with God. The things of this world can draw you away from that relationship.

Too much time spent on the internet. Too much time spent playing golf, or fishing, or shopping. These are things of this world. Not everything "thing" is an object of value; such as homes, jewelry etc.

We need our foundation to be what pleases Jesus! Not what pleases man. JMO

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Esther

Ron I understand where you are going with this, but there has to be a line drawn with good reason. Just to say it is about pride, would be to tell men they can no longer wear ties, as that is an unnecessary ornament, if you will.

Can that cause men that have jobs requiring suits and ties a problem? Yes it can.

It makes sense to me that some people don't want to wear jewelry as they feel for them it is a sin. And they have scripture they use to support their belief.

It also makes sense to me that some people do want to wear jewelry as they feel for them is is not a sin. And they have scripture they use to support their belief.

The more I see and study these things out the more I see you really need to seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Some areas I see that can be a concern about buying jewelry is that most of the good stuff is really expense. This is an issue with my husband. Before I was back in church he bought me jewelry for Christmas. Now he says he never knows what to buy me.

And we can always say that could have been given to the missionaries, but honestly we could say that about everything. Those fries you had with that hamburger could have gone to the missionaries.

My point being folks are going to have to develop their own relationship with God. The things of this world can draw you away from that relationship.

Too much time spent on the internet. Too much time spent playing golf, or fishing, or shopping. These are things of this world. Not everything "thing" is an object of value; such as homes, jewelry etc.

We need our foundation to be what pleases Jesus! Not what pleases man. JMO

Esther, I understand your point & you actually highlighted a point that those who are against jewelry point to.
What line?
It has shifted and does continue to shift, furthermore those who have any inclination are ridiculed for that stand.

If (libs) feel so liberated by there stand, they won't mind those of us who do think there is an issue with it.

Look, I don't start these threads, nor do I rarely post in them cuz they are unfruitful.

You do have a point in clothes, I have a problem with preachers & $1,000 suits.

I have only wore 3 brand new suits in my life & I never paid more than $150 for one.

Most of my wardrobe was given to me by others, & others I found good buys at Value Village! Some with the new sticker on it.

I don't know if posting these things are even worthwhile discussions.

I try to live as modestly as possible.

Makeup & Jewelry only serve to highlight self.

JMHO

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Esther, I understand your point & you actually highlighted a point that those who are against jewelry point to.
What line?
It has shifted and does continue to shift, furthermore those who have any inclination are ridiculed for that stand.

If (libs) feel so liberated by there stand, they won't mind those of us who do think there is an issue with it.

Look, I don't start these threads, nor do I rarely post in them cuz they are unfruitful.

You do have a point in clothes, I have a problem with preachers & $1,000 suits.

I have only wore 3 brand new suits in my life & I never paid more than $150 for one.

Most of my wardrobe was given to me by others, & others I found good buys at Value Village! Some with the new sticker on it.

I don't know if posting these things are even worthwhile discussions.

I try to live as modestly as possible.

Makeup & Jewelry only serve to highlight self.

JMHO

What about combing your hair? Tucking in your shirt? Wearing deodorant? Ironing your clothes? All of those things are done to make yourself more presentable to others. The fact is there is nothing in Scripture that hints at forbidding Jewelry when taken in context, so when preachers forbid it they are going beyond Scripture and adding to what God requires.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

What about combing your hair? Tucking in your shirt? Wearing deodorant? Ironing your clothes? All of those things are done to make yourself more presentable to others. The fact is there is nothing in Scripture that hints at forbidding Jewelry when taken in context, so when preachers forbid it they are going beyond Scripture and adding to what God requires.

What is the "Purpose" of Jewelry?

really?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

What is the "Purpose" of Jewelry?

really?

What is the purpose of a tie? Combing your hair?

I wear a wedding ring to let the world know I am married. But really I don't need a reason to wear it if I want to, I am not one who hides in a cave and takes a vow of poverty.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

What is the purpose of a tie? Combing your hair?

I wear a wedding ring to let the world know I am married. But really I don't need a reason to wear it if I want to, I am not one who hides in a cave and takes a vow of poverty.

My best man & his wife, both were in my wedding.
They had wedding rings, I and my wife chose not to.

Wedding rings can have a purpose.

Combing my hair & wearing a modest suit and tie just helps me to look neat and professional.

Other Jewelry?

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Ron

What is the "Purpose" of Jewelry?

really?

Self expression?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

Self expression?

Which is rooted in........?


Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.


In the mouths of two or three witness's.......

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esther

Ron I understand where you are going with this, but there has to be a line drawn with good reason. Just to say it is about pride, would be to tell men they can no longer wear ties, as that is an unnecessary ornament, if you will.

Can that cause men that have jobs requiring suits and ties a problem? Yes it can.

It makes sense to me that some people don't want to wear jewelry as they feel for them it is a sin. And they have scripture they use to support their belief.

It also makes sense to me that some people do want to wear jewelry as they feel for them is is not a sin. And they have scripture they use to support their belief.

The more I see and study these things out the more I see you really need to seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Some areas I see that can be a concern about buying jewelry is that most of the good stuff is really expense. This is an issue with my husband. Before I was back in church he bought me jewelry for Christmas. Now he says he never knows what to buy me.

And we can always say that could have been given to the missionaries, but honestly we could say that about everything. Those fries you had with that hamburger could have gone to the missionaries.

My point being folks are going to have to develop their own relationship with God. The things of this world can draw you away from that relationship.

Too much time spent on the internet. Too much time spent playing golf, or fishing, or shopping. These are things of this world. Not everything "thing" is an object of value; such as homes, jewelry etc.

We need our foundation to be what pleases Jesus! Not what pleases man. JMO

Esther,
Good post. I think the premise of the passage in Exodus was certainly pride.

Jewelry is not a necessity in my life and therefore, for me, it was and would be, always, a materialistic thing.

When I first got in church I had a fur coat. As I began to get closer to God I felt uncomfortable wearing it to church.

I heard a preacher say, "If you can't worship God wearing what you have on, take it off. If you have too much money in your wallet and it hinders your worship, lighten the load."

I agree with him! Some things can stand in our way.

I remember a time when I worked in sales, I could feel how materalistic I was becoming. I worked in a gorgeous building on Townlake in Austin. One morning as I was going to work I stopped by the lake, took out my perfume bottle, walked to a rock, broke it and poured the perfume out. I said, "God, I want to show you that I don't love money more than I love you."

Less than a month later, we had a huge church split, my husband lost his job, I got sick from being pregnant, had to quit, we lost our truck, our home, etc.

My husband said, "I AM NEVER BUYING YOU ANOTHER BOTTLE OF PERFUME - AGAIN!"