Gender Blending: Is it Wrong?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I refuse to call her a guy. Just a mixed up female who took some hormones to grow a beard. They are a dime a dozen - nothing special or newsworthy about it.

BUT!!!! God ONLY looks at the heart ask Oneness Man!!!!!!!




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[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by StMark

BUT!!!! God ONLY looks at the heart ask Oneness Man!!!!!!!




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We aren't talking about wearing pants here. This is about actually wanting to look like a man, be a man. Get your facts straight. There is scripture for that!

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by StMark

BUT!!!! God ONLY looks at the heart ask Oneness Man!!!!!!!




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I think OnenessMan is right....God does look at the heart. What we see in some of the examples given (pictures) are the results of what sin and rebellion against God does to a person. What causes a man to want to look like a woman? What is it in the heart of a person to steal? The act of stealing is the results of a sin deep in a persons heart. Thats what God sees. We see the affects of sin and call that sin. And, to a certain extent it is... but the sin that needs to be addressed isn't cross dressing and stealing. It goes deeper- what causes a a person to want to do wrong? Anniaas (spe) and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit and kept back part of the money. Their lie was the affect of the sin of greed that was buried deep within their hearts. Peter discerned their lie (the affect of sin) and dealt with it.... but their actual sin was greed. I can look at a persons actions and see their sinful ways, but only God can see deep within the heart to know the real reason a person does the thing he or she does.

Originally Posted by OneAccord

I think OnenessMan is right....God does look at the heart. What we see in some of the examples given (pictures) are the results of what sin and rebellion against God does to a person. What causes a man to want to look like a woman? What is it in the heart of a person to steal? The act of stealing is the results of a sin deep in a persons heart. Thats what God sees. We see the affects of sin and call that sin. And, to a certain extent it is... but the sin that needs to be addressed isn't cross dressing and stealing. It goes deeper- what causes a a person to want to do wrong? Anniaas (spe) and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit and kept back part of the money. Their lie was the affect of the sin of greed that was buried deep within their hearts. Peter discerned their lie (the affect of sin) and dealt with it.... but their actual sin was greed. I can look at a persons actions and see their sinful ways, but only God can see deep within the heart to know the real reason a person does the thing he or she does.

People look on the outward of a person but God looks on the heart. Here are some scriptural references:

1Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

2Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

I think that these verses of scriptures cut to the chase and speak loads of good wisdom.

[Prodigal]

Consideration should be given to the fact that an estimated 1 in 1500 are born "intersexed" or are determined to be neither exclusively male or female. Actual rates are higher since these rates are determined when a "specialist" in sex assignment is called in.

Depending on "culture", intersexed individuals have been expected to conform to either a male or female "gender role". In some cultures, intersexed individuals are included in a "third gender" classification.

To quote the Intersex Society of North America:

"In cases of intersex, doctors and parents need to recognize, however, that gender assignment of infants with intersex conditions as boy or girl, as with assignment of any infant, is preliminary. Any child—intersex or not—may decide later in life that she or he was given the wrong gender assignment; but children with certain intersex conditions have significantly higher rates of gender transition than the general population, with or without treatment".

It would appear that based on these scientic facts, not everyone is born either exclusively male or female, and that "gender identity" is more of what is between your ears rather than what form of genitalia you were born with.

I would think that the occurance of intersexed births would blur the lines of sexual/gender distinctives that are typically culturally based.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Prodigal

Consideration should be given to the fact that an estimated 1 in 1500 are born "intersexed" or are determined to be neither exclusively male or female. Actual rates are higher since these rates are determined when a "specialist" in sex assignment is called in.

Depending on "culture", intersexed individuals have been expected to conform to either a male or female "gender role". In some cultures, intersexed individuals are included in a "third gender" classification.

To quote the Intersex Society of North America:

"In cases of intersex, doctors and parents need to recognize, however, that gender assignment of infants with intersex conditions as boy or girl, as with assignment of any infant, is preliminary. Any child—intersex or not—may decide later in life that she or he was given the wrong gender assignment; but children with certain intersex conditions have significantly higher rates of gender transition than the general population, with or without treatment".

It would appear that based on these scientic facts, not everyone is born either exclusively male or female, and that "gender identity" is more of what is between your ears rather than what form of genitalia you were born with.

I would think that the occurance of intersexed births would blur the lines of sexual/gender distinctives that are typically culturally based.

Thank you for being the voice of reason in this discussion.

As much as some people would like it to be, it's not a black or white issue. So much of gender is biological. And just as someone can be born with both types of genetalia, there is also the possibility of too much (or too little) of a particular type of hormone.

Hypothetically, if a male has too little testosterone, and too much estrogen floating around in his body, can we call his effeminate nature sinful?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Thank you for being the voice of reason in this discussion.

As much as some people would like it to be, it's not a black or white issue. So much of gender is biological. And just as someone can be born with both types of genetalia, there is also the possibility of too much (or too little) of a particular type of hormone.

Hypothetically, if a male has too little testosterone, and too much estrogen floating around in his body, can we call his effeminate nature sinful?

Humankind is born with the propensity and ability toward all kinds of sin. So yes, it can still be called sin--even if one is born with the tendency.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Humankind is born with the propensity and ability toward all kinds of sin. So yes, it can still be called sin--even if one is born with the tendency.

Miss B ~ I have always admired you, and think that you are pretty intelligent, even though we vastly disagree on many topics. That's why I am really disappointed in this post.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Miss B ~ I have always admired you, and think that you are pretty intelligent, even though we vastly disagree on many topics. That's why I am really disappointed in this post.

Think of it this way.

Both parents are alcoholics and give birth to a son. His chances of being an alcoholic is extremely high. Does that make it not a sin?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Miss B ~ I have always admired you, and think that you are pretty intelligent, even though we vastly disagree on many topics. That's why I am really disappointed in this post.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, Mich. However, the deeper issue is that being born with a tendency does not require us to act upon it. To be glib for a moment, let's say someone is born with a hot temper and tendency toward violence--and perhaps due in part to a hormonal imbalance--is that person then excused both by society and God if they commit murder in a fit of rage?

No. We can feel some compassion for their state, but ultimately the act itself is not excused.