Gender Blending: Is it Wrong?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Thank you for being the voice of reason in this discussion.

As much as some people would like it to be, it's not a black or white issue. So much of gender is biological. And just as someone can be born with both types of genetalia, there is also the possibility of too much (or too little) of a particular type of hormone.

Hypothetically, if a male has too little testosterone, and too much estrogen floating around in his body, can we call his effeminate nature sinful?

Humankind is born with the propensity and ability toward all kinds of sin. So yes, it can still be called sin--even if one is born with the tendency.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Humankind is born with the propensity and ability toward all kinds of sin. So yes, it can still be called sin--even if one is born with the tendency.

Miss B ~ I have always admired you, and think that you are pretty intelligent, even though we vastly disagree on many topics. That's why I am really disappointed in this post.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Miss B ~ I have always admired you, and think that you are pretty intelligent, even though we vastly disagree on many topics. That's why I am really disappointed in this post.

Think of it this way.

Both parents are alcoholics and give birth to a son. His chances of being an alcoholic is extremely high. Does that make it not a sin?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Miss B ~ I have always admired you, and think that you are pretty intelligent, even though we vastly disagree on many topics. That's why I am really disappointed in this post.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, Mich. However, the deeper issue is that being born with a tendency does not require us to act upon it. To be glib for a moment, let's say someone is born with a hot temper and tendency toward violence--and perhaps due in part to a hormonal imbalance--is that person then excused both by society and God if they commit murder in a fit of rage?

No. We can feel some compassion for their state, but ultimately the act itself is not excused.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Think of it this way.

Both parents are alcoholics and give birth to a son. His chances of being an alcoholic is extremely high. Does that make it not a sin?

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm sorry to disappoint you, Mich. However, the deeper issue is that being born with a tendency does not require us to act upon it. To be glib for a moment, let's say someone is born with a hot temper and tendency toward violence--and perhaps due in part to a hormonal imbalance--is that person then excused both by society and God if they commit murder in a fit of rage?

No. We can feel some compassion for their state, but ultimately the act itself is not excused.

I am certainly not implying that our genes are stronger than our behavior in all cases! Of course, I may physically be attracted to a man, but that does not mean I must sleep with him.

I guess what I am asking, is what really determines gender? It is simply physical? Baby's with are a boy or girl depending on their outside parts? My point is, that often the inside endocrine system, and the outside parts, don't match. Then what? Or what if there is just one little hormone that's off?

Where do we draw the line? When do we determine that it's sin? Does a man with too little testosterone, who has a higher voice than most men, and is not as physically strong, does that make him effeminate and a rank sinner? (Notice, I am not asking does he go fool around with other men, or wear women's clothing....that stuff he can obviously control)

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I am certainly not implying that our genes are stronger than our behavior in all cases! Of course, I may physically be attracted to a man, but that does not mean I must sleep with him.

I guess what I am asking, is what really determines gender? It is simply physical? Baby's with are a boy or girl depending on their outside parts? My point is, that often the inside endocrine system, and the outside parts, don't match. Then what? Or what if there is just one little hormone that's off?

Where do we draw the line? When do we determine that it's sin? Does a man with too little testosterone, who has a higher voice than most men, and is not as physically strong, does that make him effeminate and a rank sinner? (Notice, I am not asking does he go fool around with other men, or wear women's clothing....that stuff he can obviously control)

Let me see if I understand your point. You're saying that if babies can be born with the wrong parts outside (in the case of a deformity or birth defect, e.g., "intersexed"), that it falls to reason that the inside (the mind and bodily systems and functions) can be equally flawed from birth. Correct?

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Let me see if I understand your point. You're saying that if babies can be born with the wrong parts outside (in the case of a deformity or birth defect, e.g., "intersexed"), that it falls to reason that the inside (the mind and bodily systems and functions) can be equally flawed from birth. Correct?

Yes.

There are still so many things about the human anatomy that we are ignorant of. What role Brain Chemistry and the endocrine system play in things like gender identity is just one of them.

The only point that I am trying to get across is that it is a complicated issue, that we are incapable of adequately judging.

i.e. God being the only one who truly knows us (our heart, our thoughts, and our biological makeup), only he is worthy of judging us.

[Steve Epley]

The wiseman said sow to the wind and reap the whirlwind somewhat 80 years after women put their pants on and bobbed their hair now you have this gender confusion. Butchy women and girly men.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The wiseman said sow to the wind and reap the whirlwind somewhat 80 years after women put their pants on and bobbed their hair now you have this gender confusion. Butchy women and girly men.

Not seeing the connection. Effeminate men and masculine women have been issues in every society.

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Not seeing the connection. Effeminate men and masculine women have been issues in every society.

There is no connection, because Epley is trying to connect his uncut magic hair doctrine with gender blending. It doesn't match and never will.