Gender Blending: Is it Wrong?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Are you wanting a sex change and want to justify it?

Deut 22 - - women are to look like women, men like men.

I Corth 6:18 - - flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

I would think a sex change as in Thomas/Tracy would be sexual immorality.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

That was seriously insulting.

I think you have a very hypocritical stance concerning Deut 22:5.

On the one hand you say it has nothing to do with britches, and on the other you say women are to look like women and men like men. Can you not see why the UPC has taken the stand it has concerning women wearing britches?

They just draw the line in a different place than you and, honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think it is wise.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think we should go out of our way to be...um...genderly distinct. (I made that up.) ...whatever that means within a particular culture.

It is cultural, and a good example is Indian women with their sari/tunics and the pants that go underneath--they don't look masculine whatsoever. However, I think that jeans look really masculine, and so while I might wear pajama pants (okay, I DO), I also draw the line...somewhere.



That's the problem though...I really do think that churches and saints ought to be drawing some lines on an individual basis. (Yes, I know "saint" and "church" is contradictory on the singular vs. plural note)

See my signature and don't complain about it.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The stance held by the manual is the one that's hypocritical ... in one breath they point to a scripture that states that there must be gender distinction in clothing ... yet we know that the garments worn essentially were the same ... except for fringes, colors, etc.

And now we have a similar situation today in which "britches" differ in style, fit and cut ...

Yet, we have a group that will not fellowship the Body ... or say that one is heaven-bound because of this issue.

1. PP, would you wear female pants ... why or why not ... ?



2. When you go shopping can you make a distinction as to men's pants and female pants ... why or why not?

The truth, dear Daniel, is that America culture is being redefined as a genderless mess.

Consider the word "metrosexual" and shows like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Is that really who we want defining the Church's look?

And, there are all sorts of other garments that were originally gender-specific, that have now become unisex. That doesn't make it right.

I see women wearing ties and suits.

Men (preachers even) who say they wear girdles and pink shirts and all sorts of other frilly stuff.

It's revolting, and it's no wonder our kids are confused about so many things.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The truth, dear Daniel, is that America culture is being redefined as a genderless mess.

Consider the word "metrosexual" and shows like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Is that really who we want defining the Church's look?

And, there are all sorts of other garments that were originally gender-specific, that have now become unisex. That doesn't make it right.

I see women wearing ties and suits.

Men (preachers even) who say they wear girdles and pink shirts and all sorts of other frilly stuff.

It's revolting, and it's no wonder our kids are confused about so many things.

I have to ask this. You really think men wearing pink shirts is wrong?
I do understand that the color pink is considered, by many, a woman's color but for a man to wear it is wrong? I don't think colors themselves are wrong. I think the IDEA in someones head that a specific color belongs on women or men is what is wrong. Now if heis wearing a pink ladies blouse that is wrong but a pink men's shirt is not wrong.
That is as absurd as the idea that a woman wearing red is wrong or if she wears open toed shoes is wrong.

[Jack Shephard]

Gender blending I think is not right. There should ALWAYS be a distinction between sexes. IF someone can not tell a man from a women there could be a problem. If the person in question looks like a women but has pants on you will hear no quibbles from me. There is a line of distinction that men should be masculine and women shouldn't be. Each person must judge for themselves what seem appropriate. NO WAY would I ever wear a skirt. There is no place for that for me. I would question someone mental stability if a man wore a skirt. But slacks for women are VERY acceptable becasue of the style and the way in which they are worn. ENOUGH SAID.


Oh Yeah, Pastor P, pink shirts-WRONG??? Whateva

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The truth, dear Daniel, is that America culture is being redefined as a genderless mess.

Consider the word "metrosexual" and shows like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Is that really who we want defining the Church's look?

And, there are all sorts of other garments that were originally gender-specific, that have now become unisex. That doesn't make it right.

I see women wearing ties and suits.

Men (preachers even) who say they wear girdles and pink shirts and all sorts of other frilly stuff.

It's revolting, and it's no wonder our kids are confused about so many things.

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I have to ask this. You really think men wearing pink shirts is wrong?
I do understand that the color pink is considered, by many, a woman's color but for a man to wear it is wrong? I don't think colors themselves are wrong. I think the IDEA in someones head that a specific color belongs on women or men is what is wrong. Now if heis wearing a pink ladies blouse that is wrong but a pink men's shirt is not wrong.
That is as absurd as the idea that a woman wearing red is wrong or if she wears open toed shoes is wrong.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Gender blending I think is not right. There should ALWAYS be a distinction between sexes. IF someone can not tell a man from a women there could be a problem. If the person in question looks like a women but has pants on you will hear no quibbles from me. There is a line of distinction that men should be masculine and women shouldn't be. Each person must judge for themselves what seem appropriate. NO WAY would I ever wear a skirt. There is no place for that for me. I would question someone mental stability if a man wore a skirt. But slacks for women are VERY acceptable becasue of the style and the way in which they are worn. ENOUGH SAID.


Oh Yeah, Pastor P, pink shirts-WRONG??? Whateva

No one said pink shirts are WRONG. I do, however, believe that the acceptance of pink ties, shirts and undies by some Pentecostal men is revealing (pardon the pun).

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

No one said pink shirts are WRONG. I do, however, believe that the acceptance of pink ties, shirts and undies by some Pentecostal men is revealing (pardon the pun).

Ever wash a load of whites and hidden in there was one lone red sock!!!!

There might be more men wearing pink underwear than you think!

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Ever wash a load of whites and hidden in there was one lone red sock!!!!

There might be more men wearing pink underwear than you think!

That is true

especially if you get put in jail in Maricopa County AZ


just to clarify

No I have not been in jail in Maricopa County
It is just a well known fact that they only purchase pink underwear for the people in jail here

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

No one said pink shirts are WRONG. I do, however, believe that the acceptance of pink ties, shirts and undies by some Pentecostal men is revealing (pardon the pun).

This thread is making me question some of you so called apostolic faith!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

This thread is making me question some of you so called apostolic faith!

What do you mean?

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What do you mean?

Pink undies? lets move on to something a lil less private....

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

No one said pink shirts are WRONG. I do, however, believe that the acceptance of pink ties, shirts and undies by some Pentecostal men is revealing (pardon the pun).

If you have seen their pink undies that just may be a bit more revealing than is needed.