14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rico, You left out part of the passage.
It is true that God raised Pharaoh up [to the throne] for His own purpose, but God did not harden Pharoah's heart. Pharoah had the choice to do right or to do wrong. It would be unjust and unrighteous for God to harden Pharaoh's heart against Pharaoh's will. God is neither unjust nor unrighteous.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
It is true that God raised Pharaoh up [to the throne] for His own purpose, but God did not harden Pharoah's heart. Pharoah had the choice to do right or to do wrong. It would be unjust and unrighteous for God to harden Pharaoh's heart against Pharaoh's will. God is neither unjust nor unrighteous.
So when scripture states that God hardened pharoah's heart God didn't really mean that?
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So when scripture states that God hardened pharoah's heart God didn't really mean that?
That's exactly right! Not only did God not mean that, He did not say that.
The translators just thought He did.
Here's proof.
(Isaiah 6:8-10) "Also I heard the voice of the Lord,........., vs9: And He said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not, and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Vs10: Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes: lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."
Please tell me, what was the reason that they could not see with their eyes, hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, so they could not be converted and healed? Do you agree that this passage sounds like God would shut their eyes and ears; and harden their hearts?
In (Matt 13:14-15), Jesus quotes (Isa 6:8-10) from the Septuagint OT. "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see and not perceive: vs15: For this people's heart is waxed gross [stupid], and [their]ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;...".
God didn't close their eyes, they closed their own eyes. Did God allow them to close their own eyes? Of course, God cannot go against your own will, because He has already set limits on Himself, in (Gen 1:28).
That's the same reason He could not rescue Job from the devil. (Gen 1:28) It was Job's will to become highly developed in fear. He lived in such great fear, that He would lose his health, his wealth, and his relationships. Then, "...the thing that I greatly feared is come upon me". (Job 3:25).
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
It is true that God raised Pharaoh up [to the throne] for His own purpose, but God did not harden Pharoah's heart. Pharoah had the choice to do right or to do wrong. It would be unjust and unrighteous for God to harden Pharaoh's heart against Pharaoh's will. God is neither unjust nor unrighteous.
Ex 9:12 (KJV)
12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
It is true that God raised Pharaoh up [to the throne] for His own purpose, but God did not harden Pharoah's heart. Pharoah had the choice to do right or to do wrong. It would be unjust and unrighteous for God to harden Pharaoh's heart against Pharaoh's will. God is neither unjust nor unrighteous.
Don't get me started!
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