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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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I'm not so sure that the liberals feel welcome either... as soon as I start feeling comfortable posting, we get posts like this and we keep hearing how off-balance the forum is with too many liberals so when I DO post, I now keep it reigned in for the most part. I believe that part of the problem is ultra-cons just aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way (especially prior to the advent of internet discussion forums). They are used to everything they say being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them.
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I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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07-12-2008, 03:46 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.
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Not sure how that one can be turned around, since there were "conservatives" before there were "liberals"... but okay. 
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07-12-2008, 03:59 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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Not sure how that one can be turned around, since there were "conservatives" before there were "liberals"... but okay. |
That's an interesting angle - but I'd have to disagree.
Go through the old Oneness Pentecostal writings and check out what they belived. Look at the writings of AD Urshan, John Deering and others. Look through some old photographs.
You will see that those who are being called "Liberals" here are the real descendants of the founders of the OP movement. The "cons" didn't really get their start until around WW2.
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07-12-2008, 04:02 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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That's an interesting angle - but I'd have to disagree.
Go through the old Oneness Pentecostal writings and check out what they belived. Look at the writings of AD Urshan, John Deering and others. Look through some old photographs.
You will see that those who are being called "Liberals" here are the real descendants of the founders of the OP movement. The "cons" didn't really get their start until around WW2.
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Sorry, I should have explained myself better. From my perspective, I grew up in an ultra-con culture, in a world where certain things were just not questioned... ever... if they were questioned, the closest you ever got to an answer was "have you prayed about it". So to say that the "liberals" are not used to being questioned by the ultra-cons, just doesn't make any sense from my personal perspective.
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07-12-2008, 04:04 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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Sorry, I should have explained myself better. From my perspective, I grew up in an ultra-con culture, in a world where certain things were just not questioned... ever... if they were questioned, the closest you ever got to an answer was "have you prayed about it". So to say that the "liberals" are not used to being questioned by the ultra-cons, just doesn't make any sense from my personal perspective.
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Oh, my bad... I didn't quite follow. Thanks. And you are correct.
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07-12-2008, 04:19 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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Sorry, I should have explained myself better. From my perspective, I grew up in an ultra-con culture, in a world where certain things were just not questioned... ever... if they were questioned, the closest you ever got to an answer was "have you prayed about it". So to say that the "liberals" are not used to being questioned by the ultra-cons, just doesn't make any sense from my personal perspective.
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Exactly, personal perspective. It does seem hard to get someone to really listen to our questions sometimes, but that does not mean that others with a different point of view might not. In fact my experience on AFF especially has been just the opposite.I don't believe in labeling anyone, I detest the con, ultra con, liberal terms. And I can say I am fortunate in life outside the forum that my pastors were and are not like that, and they are UPC.
Sometimes pray about it is good advice.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-12-2008, 04:24 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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Exactly, personal perspective. It does seem hard to get someone to really listen to our questions sometimes, but that does not mean that others with a different point of view might not. In fact my experience on AFF especially has been just the opposite.I don't believe in labeling anyone, I detest the con, ultra con, liberal terms. And I can say I am fortunate in life outside the forum that my pastors were and are not like that, and they are UPC.
Sometimes pray about it is good advice. |
I don't really find that the term liberal fits me either, but that is the easiest term to use for people to understand my position on a lot of things... the range of between liberal and conservative assumes that you are all on the same frequency spectrum, and I am on a whole different band.
I've never experienced prayer as a two-way conversation like many people say they have, so I don't find that I get a lot of answers from it... other than wondering if when I talk to myself in my head and then answer myself in my head with what I imagine God would say is considered prayer...
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07-12-2008, 04:08 PM
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Not sure how that one can be turned around, since there were "conservatives" before there were "liberals"... but okay. |
Dude, parallel universe. 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-12-2008, 04:56 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.
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Amen! You said a mouthful there!
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07-12-2008, 05:07 PM
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Re: Am I being asked to leave?
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I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.
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Did you mean "cons," c in east texas?
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