Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Rico

I've always seen baptism as symbolic of burial, but something has to be dead for it to be buried, so there's obviously a connection between the two.

There are two deaths. One your actions and life by turing away from them thus they become dead. That person is now turning "to" the cross thus through faith(positive active response) one is baptized into Christ's death. Repentance actually is part of baptism as to turn to Christ would be to identify with him and not the former self.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

There are two deaths. One your actions and life by turing away from them thus they become dead. That person is now turning "to" the cross thus through faith(positive active response) one is baptized into Christ's death. Repentance actually is part of baptism as to turn to Christ would be to identify with him and not the former self.

It seems to me you have the order of things mixed up. Baptism follows repentance, not the other way around. Also, faith comes before repentance.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Rico

It seems to me you have the order of things mixed up. Baptism follows repentance, not the other way around. Also, faith comes before repentance.

I think you somewhere are missing something.
Faith is the postive response to God's Word thus we repent to Christ which is to be united with him in baptism. Faith is from the very beginning but people fail to realize that faith extends beyond mental assent or acceptance but is the reactive response. Thus faith can be defined by repentance unto baptism. It's all postive response to God's Word. Faith turns us from our past toward Christ. Thus we seperate ourselveS away from past to unite with him. Which is in Baptism. We cannot go turn away without turning to. Thus by turning to we must have to unite with it. Again as scrpture says that is in baptism. Yes I agree faith and repentace preceed baptism.


NOTE: I am using repentance as a direction in which we move. "Repent" = Turn away or turn about etc...

[Rico]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I think you somewhere are missing something.
Faith is the postive response to God's Word thus we repent to Christ which is to be united with him in baptism. Faith is from the very beginning but people fail to realize that faith extends beyond mental assent or acceptance but is the reactive response. Thus faith can be defined by repentance unto baptism. It's all postive response to God's Word. Faith turns us from our past toward Christ. Thus we seperate ourselved away from past to unite with him. Which is in Baptism. We cannot go turn away without turning to. Thus by turning to we must have to unite with it. Again as scrpture says that is in baptism. Yes I agree faith and repentace preceed baptism.

The way you worded things in your post confused the order of things. This post is much better. Faith>repentance>baptism>infilling>new life in Christ is the way I understand it. Interestingly enough, with Cornelius it went faith>repentance>infilling>baptism>new life in Christ.