Baptism, DOES IT REALLY WASH AWAY SIN??

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Sorry if it seemed that way. The point was both had to take place in the sacrifice. Blood had to flow and the sacrifice had to die which is the whole point of "without shedding of blood." THe only place you will find a direct reference to the sacrifice/shed blood being applied is at baptism as it is referenced as "death."

Repentance is the death.
Water baptism identifies us with Christ's burial.
The baptism of the Holy Ghost brings new life and identifies us with his resurrection.

I believe that the blood is at work throughout the entire new birth experience.... from the first conviction of sin to perfection.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Repentance is the death.
Water baptism identifies us with Christ's burial.
The baptism of the Holy Ghost brings new life and identifies us with his resurrection.

I believe that the blood is at work throughout the entire new birth experience.... from the first conviction of sin to perfection.

That is not what the Word of God says! Repentance is death in the since of death to our former self it is not though the uniting with the death/blood of Christ. Repentance is to turn away from those actions which we die by our responding to God. This though is not the uniting with Christ in his. One must die to self to choose Christ but to unite in his death is in baptism.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Repentance is the death.
Water baptism identifies us with Christ's burial.
The baptism of the Holy Ghost brings new life and identifies us with his resurrection.

I believe that the blood is at work throughout the entire new birth experience.... from the first conviction of sin to perfection.

That is fine but show me where in scripture the blood is applied to a sinner!??!!

The place you find it applied is in reference to "death"/shedding of blood. Ref. Romans 6:3-5

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

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That is fine but show me where in scripture the blood is applied to a sinner!??!!

The place you find it applied is in reference to "death"/shedding of blood. Ref. Romans 6:3-5

All are sinners. While I was a sinner Jesus saw me through the blood and drew me by his Spirit. If it wasn't for Jesus seeing us through the blood to begin with...no man would or could be saved.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

That is not what the Word of God says! Repentance is death in the since of death to our former self it is not though the uniting with the death/blood of Christ. Repentance is to turn away from those actions which we die by our responding to God. This though is not the uniting with Christ in his. One must die to self to choose Christ but to unite in his death is in baptism.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

You can't compartmentalize and break down that which is a work of grace, predicated upon the blood, from start to finish.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I will respond to the "experts" on eis in a moment ... no matter what your view on eis is ... one cannot ignore the grammatical breakdown of Acts 2:38 which only links remission of sins when examining tenses.

Here is an another expert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Urzmrq8zw

Where are your Greek experts on this, Elder Epley.
Isolation of words and isolating phrases is poor scholarship

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Ignoring Peter's subsequent sermons that link forgiveness/remission/washing of sins to believe/repentance are inexplicably ignored by those who state Peter held the keys to salvation on the day of Pentecost ......

Acts 3:19

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Acts 10:43
43All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Again Oneness theologian shares the validity of these plausible explanations as follows:

Those posted TEACH the language at notable universities. Not someone using a strongs.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Rico

I've always seen baptism as symbolic of burial, but something has to be dead for it to be buried, so there's obviously a connection between the two.

There are two deaths. One your actions and life by turing away from them thus they become dead. That person is now turning "to" the cross thus through faith(positive active response) one is baptized into Christ's death. Repentance actually is part of baptism as to turn to Christ would be to identify with him and not the former self.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You can't compartmentalize and break down a work of grace, predicated upon the blood, from start to finish.

I am sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you explain more what you mean. I am a little condused.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I am sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you explain more what you mean. I am a little condused.

I know.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know.

The point is I don't see the compartmentalization. I see giving definition and reference to what happens in salvation. Words mean things and God's salvation is based upon principled law. Thus all things have a designed purpose and function. God does not float grace around without reason and order in which he is always consistent. Also I don't see in the scripture "you shalt not compartmentalize....." Also with the thought you presented you make God illogical or without reasoned order. Grace was the act of God giving his Son. Grace was the act of Christ giving himself. Grace was God offering salvation to us. Among a few things. We can understand Grace. Paul points to how to understand God's grace.

You comment is based on a personal objection not on the Word of God.