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View Poll Results: Do you believe in the old time "shouting"??
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YES, BRING IT ON!!!!
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NO, ITS OUT OF ORDER!!!!
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I AM NOT SURE.
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07-20-2008, 04:37 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
How am I misquoting you?/ You said SHOUTING and then tried to use a verse thats referring to VERBAL praise... Shouting in Pentecostal churches is PHYSICAL ESTATIC MOVEMENT under some influence that causes one to lose control of their body.. is it not?
If so,, please describe shouting to us
and then provide scriptural support with a double wittness of scripture
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Sorry, DV, not biting.
YOU put the words humpjumping, bucksnorting and rolling in the floor into my mouth, those weren't my words.
I do NOT endorse people acting out of order, but I DO endorse people worshipping with voices lifted in praise, clapping of hands, leaping, and expressing the deep joy that they feel in their spirits.
If memory serves, that's how the man who was healed at the Temple Gate entered the temple, so there's your NT backing.
Now, give me some scripture that forbids what I just said.
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07-20-2008, 04:41 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Sorry, DV, not biting.
YOU put the words humpjumping, bucksnorting and rolling in the floor into my mouth, those weren't my words.
I do NOT endorse people acting out of order, but I DO endorse people worshipping with voices lifted in praise, clapping of hands, leaping, and expressing the deep joy that they feel in their spirits.
If memory serves, that's how the man who was healed at the Temple Gate entered the temple, so there's your NT backing.
Now, give me some scripture that forbids what I just said.
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Why would I do that when I perfectly agree with your first statement
I also agree with "lifting your voice in praise" "Clapping of hands" all scriptural,,, all in perfect order.. nothing out of order there.... but why stop there? Why not go as far as the Pentecostal take it....
Slinging arms wildly
Head jerking
Running like mad men....on and on and on.... it has gone beyond the confines of scripture.. it has gone beyond the confines of order
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07-20-2008, 04:44 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Why would I do that when I perfectly agree with your first statement
I also agree with "lifting your voice in praise" "Clapping of hands" all scriptural,,, all in perfect order.. nothing out of order there.... but why stop there? Why not go as far as the Pentecostal take it....
Slinging arms wildly
Head jerking
Running like mad men....on and on and on.... it has gone beyond the confines of scripture.. it has gone beyond the confines of order
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Well, I won't argue the point that some people take it too far, but then it's the pastor's responsibility to teach them. I had to do it a few times when I pastored.
However, the converse is to limit it completely, which in my opinion is VERY unscriptural.
There needs to be a mix of "spirit and truth", "worship and preaching".
Someone once said "Truth without spirit makes you DRY up, spirit without truth makes you BLOW up, but truth WITH spirit makes you GROW up"
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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07-20-2008, 11:54 PM
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Registered Member
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Well, I won't argue the point that some people take it too far, but then it's the pastor's responsibility to teach them. I had to do it a few times when I pastored.
However, the converse is to limit it completely, which in my opinion is VERY unscriptural.
There needs to be a mix of "spirit and truth", "worship and preaching".
Someone once said "Truth without spirit makes you DRY up, spirit without truth makes you BLOW up, but truth WITH spirit makes you GROW up"
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BINGO!!! Good point. 
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07-20-2008, 04:41 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Indiana
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Sorry, DV, not biting.
YOU put the words humpjumping, bucksnorting and rolling in the floor into my mouth, those weren't my words.
I do NOT endorse people acting out of order, but I DO endorse people worshipping with voices lifted in praise, clapping of hands, leaping, and expressing the deep joy that they feel in their spirits.
If memory serves, that's how the man who was healed at the Temple Gate entered the temple, so there's your NT backing.
Now, give me some scripture that forbids what I just said.
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He claims that we do endorse people acting out of order. I think he's giving too many hypothetical situations.
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