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View Poll Results: Do you believe in the old time "shouting"??
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YES, BRING IT ON!!!!
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NO, ITS OUT OF ORDER!!!!
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I AM NOT SURE.
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07-20-2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Note to reader: According to the doc, we should not shout in church because we are out of order according to what he believes Paul has said to the Corinthian church in his second letter to them; however, if that is the case, then ALL Christianity needs to take another look on how we go to church because early Christianity did not go to a church building. And because these church buildings were not mentioned anywhere in the NT, we are all going to hell in a hand basket. LOL! Doc Vaughn, a church building is mentioned just as many times as shouting in the NT: Should we stop going to a church building for services?
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Wrong again,, they ministerd daily in the temple AND from house to house..
they went to the temple the first day of the week... my Lord brother
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07-20-2008, 04:39 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Is that what it is brother?
Tell you what brother.. explain to the board why the Holy Spirit,, a gentleman,, doesnt behave himseld unseemly would throw a godly young lady into a frenzy, her losing all composure and femininity...
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Is that we we are calling the Holy Ghost nowadays, a gentleman? I suppose you have scripture for that one as well?
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07-20-2008, 04:41 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Sorry, DV, not biting.
YOU put the words humpjumping, bucksnorting and rolling in the floor into my mouth, those weren't my words.
I do NOT endorse people acting out of order, but I DO endorse people worshipping with voices lifted in praise, clapping of hands, leaping, and expressing the deep joy that they feel in their spirits.
If memory serves, that's how the man who was healed at the Temple Gate entered the temple, so there's your NT backing.
Now, give me some scripture that forbids what I just said.
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Why would I do that when I perfectly agree with your first statement
I also agree with "lifting your voice in praise" "Clapping of hands" all scriptural,,, all in perfect order.. nothing out of order there.... but why stop there? Why not go as far as the Pentecostal take it....
Slinging arms wildly
Head jerking
Running like mad men....on and on and on.... it has gone beyond the confines of scripture.. it has gone beyond the confines of order
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07-20-2008, 04:41 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Sorry, DV, not biting.
YOU put the words humpjumping, bucksnorting and rolling in the floor into my mouth, those weren't my words.
I do NOT endorse people acting out of order, but I DO endorse people worshipping with voices lifted in praise, clapping of hands, leaping, and expressing the deep joy that they feel in their spirits.
If memory serves, that's how the man who was healed at the Temple Gate entered the temple, so there's your NT backing.
Now, give me some scripture that forbids what I just said.
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He claims that we do endorse people acting out of order. I think he's giving too many hypothetical situations.
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07-20-2008, 04:41 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Is that we we are calling the Holy Ghost nowadays, a gentleman? I suppose you have scripture for that one as well? 
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Your saying he's not gentle?
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07-20-2008, 04:44 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Why would I do that when I perfectly agree with your first statement
I also agree with "lifting your voice in praise" "Clapping of hands" all scriptural,,, all in perfect order.. nothing out of order there.... but why stop there? Why not go as far as the Pentecostal take it....
Slinging arms wildly
Head jerking
Running like mad men....on and on and on.... it has gone beyond the confines of scripture.. it has gone beyond the confines of order
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Well, I won't argue the point that some people take it too far, but then it's the pastor's responsibility to teach them. I had to do it a few times when I pastored.
However, the converse is to limit it completely, which in my opinion is VERY unscriptural.
There needs to be a mix of "spirit and truth", "worship and preaching".
Someone once said "Truth without spirit makes you DRY up, spirit without truth makes you BLOW up, but truth WITH spirit makes you GROW up"
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07-20-2008, 04:44 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
You tell me what I'm saying, you seem to be doing a pretty good job of that doc.
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07-20-2008, 04:45 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
Gotta go doc, love ya!
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07-20-2008, 04:49 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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07-20-2008, 04:50 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
I the poll question had an option between 1 and 2 that said "Yes, when in order", a whole lot of debate would have ended right then and there. That is what I would have chosen instead of "No".
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