Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Mindset?

[theoldpaths]

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Just as not all the tradition of the Jews was the commandment of God neither is the traditions of the UPC the commandments of God nor the doctrine of the Apostles. We have to weed out the traditions of men from the commandments of God.

Thanks PP for the video.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Just as not all the tradition of the Jews was the commandment of God neither is the traditions of the UPC the commandments of God nor the doctrine of the Apostles. We have to weed out the traditions of men from the commandments of God.

Thanks PP for the video.

Jesus knew that issues would come up after He was gone up from the world and told those who would be leaders of his church the following...

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

And we have a very practical example in Acts of an issue that came up that required Paul and Barnabbas to meet with the elders and Apostles at Jerusalem. Men discussed, made decisions, and put them in writing and it was communicated to all the gentle churches to be obeyed. What was to be obeyed? The decisions made by men. Now did God somehow indicate that He was pleased with the decisions made by men? Yes he did...

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, Fare ye well.

Notice that more decisions were made than the one decision that they decided they needed to meet for - circumcision of the gentiles.

Its almost like some in here would have told Paul, Barnabbas, the elders, and the rest of the Apostles not to put something that was decided by men in writing to be communicated to all of the gentile churches to be obeyed; that if they did so they would be making a big mistake.

Perhaps they remembered the words of Jesus in Matt 18 and knew better than some of us.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Do you think the above scripture covers the decisions that men made above that were put in writing and communicated to all of the gentiles churches to obey?

I believe so.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Can you name the 'traditions' Paul was referring to?

I'm sure he meant traditions that have been in effect since before 1945.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Can you name the 'traditions' Paul was referring to?

I'm sure he meant traditions that have been in effect since before 1945.

Maybe we could look at what the verse actually says...naaa it would be better if we could make up rules and then call them traditions.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Maybe we could look at what the verse actually says...naaa it would be better if we could make up rules and then call them traditions.

Yep, this verse gives us carte blanche to preach against women wearing pants, jewelry, only one service on Sunday, men wearing beards, etc.

Paul told us to not forsake the "traditions", i.e., Articles of Faith!

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Yep, this verse gives us carte blanche to preach against women wearing pants, jewelry, two services on Sunday, men wearing beards, etc.

Paul told us to not forsake the "traditions", i.e., Articles of Faith!

Woo hoo start preaching.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Can you name the 'traditions' Paul was referring to?

I'm sure he meant traditions that have been in effect since before 1945.

And I'm sure he meant the ordinances that were created by men when Paul, Barnabas, the elders and the apostles at Jerusalem met, discussed, decided, put in writing, and communicated to all of the gentiles churches to obey.

Act 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem

Strong's - decree:

G1378
δόγμα
dogma
dog'-mah
From the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.

Strong's - for to keep

G5442
φυλάσσω
phulassō
foo-las'-so
Probably from G5443 through the idea of isolation; to watch, that is, be on guard (literally or figuratively); by implication to preserve. obey, avoid: - beware, keep (self), observe, save. Compare G5083.

Notice that Paul said that they were ordained by who? The apostles and elders - men - but they were still expected to obey them.

Kinda reminds me of the following scripture...

1Co 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.