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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
Here's another version of that passage:
2 Thessalonians 3:6
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Copyright © 1996, 1998 by International Bible Society
Paul Warns Those Who Do Not Want to Work
6 Brothers and sisters, here is a command we give you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Keep away from every believer who doesn't want to work. Keep away from anyone who doesn't live up to the teaching you received from us.
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
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Maybe we could look at what the verse actually says...naaa it would be better if we could make up rules and then call them traditions.
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Yep, this verse gives us carte blanche to preach against women wearing pants, jewelry, only one service on Sunday, men wearing beards, etc.
Paul told us to not forsake the "traditions", i.e., Articles of Faith!
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07-22-2008, 08:31 AM
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
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Here's another version of that passage:
2 Thessalonians 3:6
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Copyright © 1996, 1998 by International Bible Society
Paul Warns Those Who Do Not Want to Work
6 Brothers and sisters, here is a command we give you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Keep away from every believer who doesn't want to work. Keep away from anyone who doesn't live up to the teaching you received from us. |
Sister, this is not valid, it's not KJV.
If the KJV was good enough for the Apostles, it's good enough for me!
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07-22-2008, 08:32 AM
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Yep, this verse gives us carte blanche to preach against women wearing pants, jewelry, two services on Sunday, men wearing beards, etc.
Paul told us to not forsake the "traditions", i.e., Articles of Faith!
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Woo hoo start preaching. 
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07-22-2008, 08:49 AM
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
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Sister, this is not valid, it's not KJV.
If the KJV was good enough for the Apostles, it's good enough for me!
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Brother, it sure puts a different spin on it though, doesn't it?
There might be a lot of saints we really need to stay away from!
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
Here's another version of that passage:
2 Thessalonians 3:6
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Copyright © 1996, 1998 by International Bible Society
Paul Warns Those Who Do Not Want to Work
6 Brothers and sisters, here is a command we give you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Keep away from every believer who doesn't want to work. Keep away from anyone who doesn't live up to the teaching you received from us. |
What verses does the NIV omit and most new versions - Mat 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24 - just like the JW's NWT
I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in a translation based upon the Minority Text as opposed to the Majority Text like the KJV.
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07-22-2008, 10:06 PM
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Can you name the 'traditions' Paul was referring to?
I'm sure he meant traditions that have been in effect since before 1945.
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And I'm sure he meant the ordinances that were created by men when Paul, Barnabas, the elders and the apostles at Jerusalem met, discussed, decided, put in writing, and communicated to all of the gentiles churches to obey.
Act 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem
Strong's - decree:
G1378
δόγμα
dogma
dog'-mah
From the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.
Strong's - for to keep
G5442
φυλάσσω
phulassō
foo-las'-so
Probably from G5443 through the idea of isolation; to watch, that is, be on guard (literally or figuratively); by implication to preserve. obey, avoid: - beware, keep (self), observe, save. Compare G5083.
Notice that Paul said that they were ordained by who? The apostles and elders - men - but they were still expected to obey them.
Kinda reminds me of the following scripture...
1Co 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
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07-22-2008, 11:29 PM
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
“A tradition without intelligence is not worth having.”
T.S. Eliot
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07-22-2008, 11:30 PM
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
“Tradition is an explanation for acting without thinking”
Grace McGarvie
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Re: Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Minds
“Tradition is a guide and not a jailer”
William Somerset Maugham
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