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Old 07-25-2008, 07:59 PM
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This is what I still don't understand. We have had a Republican President for 8 straight years. At one point we had a Republican Hill to go with it. Yet and still hundreds of thousands of babies have been aborted, and regardless of who is elected in November hundreds of thousands more will be in the next 4 years. So in my estimation we have always had and always will have baby killers in power. I am sick and tired of the abortion issue becoming a lip-service, rhetorical position.
I am not one for plenty of talk and what people say does not impress me one bit. Unless you are going to do something about abortion, quit harping on it in your campaign. It is patronizing, insulting, and to me is a slap in the face of all the babies who will be aborted.
Pony up and read the script.

When we had a republican president abd a republican congress, we had a definitive liberal supreme court.

This is where the law would have been struck down.

Study our form of government. The judicial branch as opposed to the executive and legislative branches is where the battle will be fought. The next president will possibly have the ability to appoint one or two supreme court justices. This is where conservative ideals must prevail. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Walk towards the light.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:10 PM
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Pony up and read the script.

When we had a republican president abd a republican congress, we had a definitive liberal supreme court.

This is where the law would have been struck down.

Study our form of government. The judicial branch as opposed to the executive and legislative branches is where the battle will be fought. The next president will possibly have the ability to appoint one or two supreme court justices. This is where conservative ideals must prevail. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Walk towards the light.
Okay, I guess I'll just have to "pony up". (whatever that means)

We have hashed this out before, but we did successfully manage to have Republican Presidents select 7 of the 9 current Justices. I personally am not convinced that McCain is going to select any better.
This was not just directed at you. My frustration is that there is lip service that is an effective tool to guarantee support. I am firmly pro-life so what I would like to hear is.

Question: So I understand that you are pro-life.
Candidate: Yes I am
Question: So what exactly are you going to do to end the hundreds of thousands of abortions.
Candidate: (A direct response and some course of action)


And at the end of the day, if the President is not able to substancially affect abortions in our country...we need to quit making it a "free-pass, I'll support you" issue.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:31 PM
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Okay, I guess I'll just have to "pony up". (whatever that means)

We have hashed this out before, but we did successfully manage to have Republican Presidents select 7 of the 9 current Justices. I personally am not convinced that McCain is going to select any better.
This was not just directed at you. My frustration is that there is lip service that is an effective tool to guarantee support. I am firmly pro-life so what I would like to hear is.

Question: So I understand that you are pro-life.
Candidate: Yes I am
Question: So what exactly are you going to do to end the hundreds of thousands of abortions.
Candidate: (A direct response and some course of action)


And at the end of the day, if the President is not able to substancially affect abortions in our country...we need to quit making it a "free-pass, I'll support you" issue.

OK, let's put abortion on the back burner. How do you feel about higher taxes?

How do you feel about "from those with ability to those with need"?

How do you feel about the government taxing you while you live and taxing your estate AGAIN at your death?

How do you feel about working until June just to pay your taxes?

How do you feel about supporting those who are clearly able to function in society with money TAKEN BY FORCE out of your wallet?

How do you feel about having paid into social security since you were 14, only to have the government change the rules when you reach age 45? Now, you must work until age 67 1/2 to receive full benefits, not the 65 promised when you entered the work force?

How do you feel about the UN telling you how you must conduct yourself to garner world acceptance?

How do you feel about abandoning Israel in favor of appeasing those who wish to wipe "Israel off the face of the earth'?

How do you feel about holding preachers accountable for what the Bible teaches about homosexuality by threatening them with "hate speech"?



Do you really want me to continue?
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:26 PM
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OK, let's put abortion on the back burner. How do you feel about higher taxes?

How do you feel about "from those with ability to those with need"?

How do you feel about the government taxing you while you live and taxing your estate AGAIN at your death?

How do you feel about working until June just to pay your taxes?

How do you feel about supporting those who are clearly able to function in society with money TAKEN BY FORCE out of your wallet?

How do you feel about having paid into social security since you were 14, only to have the government change the rules when you reach age 45? Now, you must work until age 67 1/2 to receive full benefits, not the 65 promised when you entered the work force?

How do you feel about the UN telling you how you must conduct yourself to garner world acceptance?

How do you feel about abandoning Israel in favor of appeasing those who wish to wipe "Israel off the face of the earth'?

How do you feel about holding preachers accountable for what the Bible teaches about homosexuality by threatening them with "hate speech"?



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Many of your questions deal with higher taxes and tax issues in general. In case you've not been paying attention, your beloved Republican party has become fiscal liberals that can't get enough of my money. Oh they won't charge me for it right now, but they'll write all of the hot checks and then let the Dem's try and balance the budget AGAIN ala 92-2000.

A Republican talking about high taxes and being fiscally conservative at this point in time is a laugh brother.
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Many of your questions deal with higher taxes and tax issues in general. In case you've not been paying attention, your beloved Republican party has become fiscal liberals that can't get enough of my money. Oh they won't charge me for it right now, but they'll write all of the hot checks and then let the Dem's try and balance the budget AGAIN ala 92-2000.

A Republican talking about high taxes and being fiscally conservative at this point in time is a laugh brother.
No brother, it's not a laugh. President Bush has been a huge disappointment in being fiscally conservative.

BUT, the republican party is still the party of lower taxes.

Just ask Congressman John Linder.
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No brother, it's not a laugh. President Bush has been a huge disappointment in being fiscally conservative.

BUT, the republican party is still the party of lower taxes.

Just ask Congressman John Linder.

Well at least we can agree on the fact that Repubs seem to enjoy tax cuts and slapping themselves on the back for lower taxes. However, for the most part haven't lived according to that budget, along with Democrats, on the spending side. Thanks to ALL of them this country is in debt to the Chinese and other foreign investors.

Low taxes are great except for the fact that as of today you and I are now responsible for paying back $ 9.5 trillion dollars. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ That's a huge hot check considering we would have had a balanced budget as of 2001. Someone has to pay that off and most likely mine and your taxes will have to be raised to do so.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:53 PM
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No brother, it's not a laugh. President Bush has been a huge disappointment in being fiscally conservative.

BUT, the republican party is still the party of lower taxes.

Just ask Congressman John Linder.
I don't know how much you make, I make $18.36 an hour....and Obama's plan will cut my taxes. Bush's plan really didn't do anything but shift tax burdens...my property taxes went up to fund programs that the Fed was no longer funding. Then factor inflation....
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OK, let's put abortion on the back burner. How do you feel about higher taxes?

How do you feel about "from those with ability to those with need"?

How do you feel about the government taxing you while you live and taxing your estate AGAIN at your death?

How do you feel about working until June just to pay your taxes?

How do you feel about supporting those who are clearly able to function in society with money TAKEN BY FORCE out of your wallet?

How do you feel about having paid into social security since you were 14, only to have the government change the rules when you reach age 45? Now, you must work until age 67 1/2 to receive full benefits, not the 65 promised when you entered the work force?

How do you feel about the UN telling you how you must conduct yourself to garner world acceptance?

How do you feel about abandoning Israel in favor of appeasing those who wish to wipe "Israel off the face of the earth'?

How do you feel about holding preachers accountable for what the Bible teaches about homosexuality by threatening them with "hate speech"?



Do you really want me to continue?
I'm not sure where this is headed, but let me say once again for the record that I am not a Democrat and have never voted Democrat. I am not a proponent of any candidate. My only problem is the lip-service that certain politicians pay to certain issues to blindly insure support while avoiding any accountability or pressure to deliver results by those core constituents, The same is true about the Democrat candidates who can blindly rely on the Black vote while delivering absolutely nothing. It is a travesty and it defeats the democratic nature of our political process.
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OK, let's put abortion on the back burner. How do you feel about higher taxes?
Obama will cut taxes for the middle class (they carry most of our nation's tax burden).
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How do you feel about "from those with ability to those with need"?
It was taught by the early Church and Paul....

Acts 2:45
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Acts 4:35
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15 (NIV)
13Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality, 15as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

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How do you feel about the government taxing you while you live and taxing your estate AGAIN at your death?
Is my estate the income of another? If I were living and transfered my estate to you would you pay taxes for it?

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How do you feel about working until June just to pay your taxes?
As long as the government performs the services I pay them to perform I have no issue with it. What I don't like is paying my taxes and the government being AWOL.

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How do you feel about supporting those who are clearly able to function in society with money TAKEN BY FORCE out of your wallet?
The poor have a right to glean. I have no issue with TEMPORARILY helping those with welfare. Most states have laws restricting how long a person can be on welfare today.

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How do you feel about having paid into social security since you were 14, only to have the government change the rules when you reach age 45? Now, you must work until age 67 1/2 to receive full benefits, not the 65 promised when you entered the work force?
The Republicans have gutted Social Security for years because they continually fail to balance the budget. Their very philosophy caused this problem. They new if they could gut the system, they would build the case to privatize it. Democrats, looking to fund programs without a balanced budget resorted to the same. Social Security would be in good shape today if the budget was balanced.

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How do you feel about the UN telling you how you must conduct yourself to garner world acceptance?
Didn't Bush specifically say we invaded Iraq to defend the authority of the UN? Our boys are dying to enforce the UN's mandate....and it was a Republican who put them there.

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How do you feel about abandoning Israel in favor of appeasing those who wish to wipe "Israel off the face of the earth'?
Few (Democrat or Republican) want to abandon Israel.

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How do you feel about holding preachers accountable for what the Bible teaches about homosexuality by threatening them with "hate speech"?
As long as one tempers what they have to say with love and respect for the sinner as a person I have no issue. I've heard preachers say things I don't want my 2 year old son hearing or saying. Words like "queer", "f@g", etc. are not cool. And I've seen preachers preach hatred for these people like they are the enemy. They are just sinners. I personally know a preacher in a Church that participated attacking a gay man....and bragged about it. I've seen it over the line.

But, I can see where some might be worried on this point. I'd get around it by making "sexuality" lessons private classes or address it privately in counseling. We have this illusion that everything has to be done in the pulpit.

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Pony up and read the script.

When we had a republican president abd a republican congress, we had a definitive liberal supreme court.

This is where the law would have been struck down.

Study our form of government. The judicial branch as opposed to the executive and legislative branches is where the battle will be fought. The next president will possibly have the ability to appoint one or two supreme court justices. This is where conservative ideals must prevail. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Walk towards the light.
If you believe a conservative court will ban abortion now, you'll believe anything.
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