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Old 07-26-2008, 09:02 PM
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So it is the preacher that has to lead the saint, and not the holy ghost??
I would like to think both would.

However I can use your premise and wonder why so many Oneness Pentecostal preachers are caught up in legalism that is not biblical.

I could judge that they are all going to hell because they are not seeing the error of their ways in trying to earn their salvation and instilling judgmentalism in their saints.

That would be goofy just as I believe your application is.
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:08 PM
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I would like to think both would.

However I can use your premise and wonder why so many Oneness Pentecostal preachers are caught up in legalism that is not biblical.

I could judge that they are all going to hell because they are not seeing the error of their ways in trying to earn their salvation and instilling judgmentalism in their saints.

That would be goofy just as I believe your application is.
Anyone, preacher or saint, that looks at their works as salvation is lost as can be. I would state that most do not see the acts 2:38 response to the gospel as salvation by works, but rather salvation by obedient faith. But you are correct. Those that believe they can earn their salvation are lost.
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Old 07-27-2008, 04:27 AM
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According to Galatians 3:1 legalism is witchcraft. If trinnies aren't allowed in heaven, there sure isn't going to be any witchcraft.

False doctrine is false doctrine.

It is ironic that Epley says trinitarians are lost and going to hell for their false doctrine. Yet he will welcome Benicasasa through the pearly gates even though he calls Benicasa's prophetic views a damnable heresy.


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I would like to think both would.

However I can use your premise and wonder why so many Oneness Pentecostal preachers are caught up in legalism that is not biblical.

I could judge that they are all going to hell because they are not seeing the error of their ways in trying to earn their salvation and instilling judgmentalism in their saints.

That would be goofy just as I believe your application is.
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Old 07-27-2008, 04:28 PM
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According to Galatians 3:1 legalism is witchcraft. If trinnies aren't allowed in heaven, there sure isn't going to be any witchcraft.

False doctrine is false doctrine.

It is ironic that Epley says trinitarians are lost and going to hell for their false doctrine. Yet he will welcome Benicasasa through the pearly gates even though he calls Benicasa's prophetic views a damnable heresy.
I love Bro. Bennicassa but he knows I do not believe a person can be a FP and go in the rapture.
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Old 07-27-2008, 04:34 PM
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I love Bro. Bennicassa but he knows I do not believe a person can be a FP and go in the rapture.
An FP doesn't believe in the rapture..
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An FP doesn't believe in the rapture..
You ruined it
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You ruined it
you posted 9 minutes later...
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you posted 9 minutes later...
you still ruined it
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:


  1. There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  6. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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I love Bro. Bennicassa but he knows I do not believe a person can be a FP and go in the rapture.
I think even EB knows he can't be FP and go in the rapture
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:


  1. There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  6. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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I think even EB knows he can't be FP and go in the rapture
Too funny!

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