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[Michael The Disciple]

Michael Phelps

When I first read the second example, I thought the same thing - it's undeniably trinitarian.

However, upon reading it more closely, I can see that there are certain and distinct differences, such as "personalities" instead of "persons".

The problem with this is "eternally existing" persons. If there are 3 co equal eternally existing PERSONALITIES in the Godhead its time for Oneness Churches to close up shop, repent and go away.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The problem with this is "eternally existing" persons. If there are 3 co equal eternally existing PERSONALITIES in the Godhead its time for Oneness Churches to close up shop, repent and go away.

Do you believe that the Word existed prior to the incarnation? I think the use of the term personalities would be objected to upon close reading by Trinitarians. I think you read with the glasses of Oneness theology.

[HappyTown]

At this point, I think one made need a Lawyer to tag along with them to church! Word scrabble

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Do you believe that the Word existed prior to the incarnation? ....

Yes, in my opinion the Word was: God revealed; God manifested; the invisible God made visible; the transcendent God becoming involved; the high and lofty one brought down among us; the untouchable God made touchable; the far off God brought close; etc.

That Word/Memra/Logos is also known as the Angel of YHWH or ha Kavod (the glory of the Messiah) in the Old Testament. As the Word, YHWH wrestled with Jacob, appeared to Isaiah, appeared to Joshua as the Captain of the Lord's host, appeared to the elders of Israel sitting on a throne, etc. That Word, the form of God or the visible part of God later became flesh and dwelt among us.

In the Old Testament, YHWH was Father, Word, and Holy Spirit.
In the New Testament, YHWH is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes, in my opinion the Word was: God revealed; God manifested; the invisible God made visible; the transcendent God becoming involved; the high and lofty one brought down among us; the untouchable God made touchable; the far off God brought close; etc.

That Word/Memra/Logos is also known as the Angel of YHWH or ha Kavod (the glory of the Messiah) in the Old Testament. As the Word, YHWH wrestled with Jacob, appeared to Isaiah, appeared to Joshua as the Captain of the Lord's host, appeared to the elders of Israel sitting on a throne, etc. That Word, the form of God or the visible part of God later became flesh and dwelt among us.

In the Old Testament, YHWH was Father, Word, and Holy Spirit.
In the New Testament, YHWH is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I would boil that down to One God and one mediator in the Old and New Testament. The Angel in the Old the Son in the New.

Not two eternal persons of God.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The problem with this is "eternally existing" persons. If there are 3 co equal eternally existing PERSONALITIES in the Godhead its time for Oneness Churches to close up shop, repent and go away.