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Old 09-01-2008, 11:39 AM
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I cannot handle getting sucked into another election cycle abortion conversation, but let me just ask a direct question.

If I do support the Republicans again in this election in large part due to the abortion issue, what exactly have they said they will do about abortion? Please cite something direct that you can attribute to a real, live person. As it stands 1 million children stand to die next year no matter if we elect Obama or have another year of GOP. So we need to do and know something concrete.
I will not vote for someone who says if his (Obama) daughter makes a mistake that he does not want her penalized with a baby. Abortion for birth control, for convenience, to avoid the harvest of mistakes, I will vote for the one that says abortion is wrong, and that he will be pro-life president.
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Re: Republican Vice-Pres. Nominee is Pentecostal

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I will not vote for someone who says if his (Obama) daughter makes a mistake that he does not want her penalized with a baby. Abortion for birth control, for convenience, to avoid the harvest of mistakes, I will vote for the one that says abortion is wrong, and that he will be pro-life president.
Crakjak, I understand that. I have been hearing that my entire life. I'm just asking what that means and what specifically the pro-life candidates are promising to do about abortion and what specifically we should expect to have happen so that this is not just a perpetual vote-getter and rhetoric.

Noone is answering that specific question.
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Crakjak, I understand that. I have been hearing that my entire life. I'm just asking what that means and what specifically the pro-life candidates are promising to do about abortion and what specifically we should expect to have happen so that this is not just a perpetual vote-getter and rhetoric.

Noone is answering that specific question.
I don't know that there will be an answer to this question. Sometimes it sure seems like Republicans use the big A as a bait-and-switch issue. They talk tough (or inspirational, to be accurate) about the sanctity of life, but not much progress is made.

However, more progress has been made under Bush than any other president.

To a large degree, progress is awaiting a grass-roots re-awakening. The radical feminists are more vocal, more pushy, more energized, and more active than the pro-lifers. And not necessarily because more pro-lifers are gainfully employed.

I think we make a mistake if all we ever do is pine away for the big prize: the overturning of Roe. There are tactics, strategy, steps, and a lot of winning peoples' hearts that need to happen first.

Even if Roe is overturned, many abortions will still occur, because it will revert to the rights of the individual states to decide. Unless there is a constitutional amendment. While I am all for states' rights, nothing short of a miracle is going to stop the increasing centralization of control. What a pity we are so incapable of learning and applying the lessons of the USSR appropriately.

I feel like some Republican politicians treat me, a pro-lifer, like some Democrat politicians treat Blacks: A token speech is made, party loyalty is taken for granted, and virtually nothing is done on behalf of the constituency's interests. The militant homosexuals are getting more results than Blacks or pro-lifers.
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