Gov. Sarah Palin's acceptance speech

[Ferd]

Mike/Stew let me tell you why I am a partisan.

I believe in keeping taxes low on everybody (the rich too). I believe in getting taxes lower for businesses because high taxes force manufacturing jobs over seas, increace the cost of goods and services and reduce the number of people a business can employ.

I believe in putting people on the supreme court who will NOT create legislation out of thin air.

I believe that a person should have a right to both join a union and also to keep a job or get a job without being forced to join a union.

I belive in a strong military and that losing in Iraq is a horrible reality that makes America both weaker and more vulnerable to islamic terrorist attack.

I believe that you cannot make the economy stronger by taking money out of the economy and handing it to the government.

I believe that we must drill for oil in America and cut off the middle east.

I believe that the government spends far too much and needs to stop spending like drunken sailors.

I believe that while the cost of healthcare is too high, the fix does not include socializing 1/5 of the American economy.

I do not believe the Republicans have accomplished all or even most of this, but I do know that ONLY the Republicans are the only ones who can do this.

I am pragmatic enought to realize the main reason these things have not gotten done completely since 1980 when the conservitive movement really formed, is because there are enough Americans that DO NOT agree with me at all.

This is the tug of war.


I am also pragmatic enough to believe that some Republicans (and many recently) who either believe these things or have said they do, have flinced and backed down.
while I believe those people need to be replaced, I do not believe you replace them with someone who will work to prevent everything I believe in from happening.

So, I vote for republicans and will work to get rid of bad republicans by replacing them with other republicans.

I am a partisian republican because I will NOT vote for someone, or find political value in someone who believes the opposite of what I believe.


So, call me a partisian. but dont be bewildered when i dont buy it when a democrat talks about change and being different when they clearly believe in exactly the opposite of what I believe and have said as much.


love you guys.


PS, I am also a partisian republican because voting for Bob Barr will get Barak Obama elected.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Mike/Stew let me tell you why I am a partisan.

I believe in keeping taxes low on everybody (the rich too). I believe in getting taxes lower for businesses because high taxes force manufacturing jobs over seas, increace the cost of goods and services and reduce the number of people a business can employ.

I believe in putting people on the supreme court who will NOT create legislation out of thin air.

I believe that a person should have a right to both join a union and also to keep a job or get a job without being forced to join a union.

I belive in a strong military and that losing in Iraq is a horrible reality that makes America both weaker and more vulnerable to islamic terrorist attack.

I believe that you cannot make the economy stronger by taking money out of the economy and handing it to the government.

I believe that we must drill for oil in America and cut off the middle east.

I believe that the government spends far too much and needs to stop spending like drunken sailors.

I believe that while the cost of healthcare is too high, the fix does not include socializing 1/5 of the American economy.

I do not believe the Republicans have accomplished all or even most of this, but I do know that ONLY the Republicans are the only ones who can do this.

I am pragmatic enought to realize the main reason these things have not gotten done completely since 1980 when the conservitive movement really formed, is because there are enough Americans that DO NOT agree with me at all.

This is the tug of war.


I am also pragmatic enough to believe that some Republicans (and many recently) who either believe these things or have said they do, have flinced and backed down.
while I believe those people need to be replaced, I do not believe you replace them with someone who will work to prevent everything I believe in from happening.

So, I vote for republicans and will work to get rid of bad republicans by replacing them with other republicans.

I am a partisian republican because I will NOT vote for someone, or find political value in someone who believes the opposite of what I believe.


So, call me a partisian. but dont be bewildered when i dont buy it when a democrat talks about change and being different when they clearly believe in exactly the opposite of what I believe and have said as much.love you guys.


PS, I am also a partisian republican because voting for Bob Barr will get Barak Obama elected.

Ferd, the Republicans are not the only people who can do these things. Any people that the American people put into elected office can do these things if they are made to pledge to do these things and be held accountable for doing these things. As it stands, noone is going to do these things because neither party has to do these things and there are some people benifitting from the way things are right now. If everybody actually had to work for our vote and line up to the ideals and convictions we have in order to get our vote, things would get done.
And for the hundredth time, let me clarify that none of what I am saying is being said to try to solicit votes for the Democrats either.

Oh yeah, and I love you too.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by tstew

Ferd, the Republicans are not the only people who can do these things. Any people that the American people put into elected office can do these things if they are made to pledge to do these things and be held accountable for doing these things. As it stands, noone is going to do these things because neither party has to do these things and there are some people benifitting from the way things are right now. If everybody actually had to work for our vote and line up to the ideals and convictions we have in order to get our vote, things would get done.
And for the hundredth time, let me clarify that none of what I am saying is being said to try to solicit votes for the Democrats either.

Stew, I understand where you are coming from. It isnt from that liberal left place. in fact you likely believe much of what I believe.... and I accept your primis here.

i have a fundimental difference with you on who can affect this kind of change.

I would be willing to support at a grass roots level a third party that does believe these things. but I will NOT vote for a third party for president that has no power base.

third parties need to win at local, and state levels. then gain national power in the house, then in the senate before they have any chance at winning the white house.


and the democrats, and this particular democratic ticket, will NEVER affect the kind of change, or enact the kind of policy that I believe in.


thus I am a partisian Republican. I will not lose to prove a point. I prefer to win and get today what I can, then wait till tomorrow to get more. Losing in politics is not some strange kind of victory.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Stew, I understand where you are coming from. It isnt from that liberal left place. in fact you likely believe much of what I believe.... and I accept your primis here.

i have a fundimental difference with you on who can affect this kind of change.

I would be willing to support at a grass roots level a third party that does believe these things. but I will NOT vote for a third party for president that has no power base.

I'm saying forget about voting for a party. Let's vote for a man or a woman who is pledging to actually do the things that are very important to us. I'm saying that there has to be somebody out there who is qualified and committed to be the kind of leader that we really want, but the old partisanship mindset and the power base that lives off of it is not allowing it. But ultimately it is the American people that are allowing our democratic power to be usurped.

And at the very least, if we are just too locked into the party mindset...for the love of God, make them do something for our votes. Hold them accountable, don't let them take your vote for granted at the end of the day because they have figured out what it takes to insure your vote.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by tstew

I'm saying forget about voting for a party. Let's vote for a man or a woman who is pledging to actually do the things that are very important to us. I'm saying that there has to be somebody out there who is qualified and committed to be the kind of leader that we really want, but the old partisanship mindset and the power base that lives off of it is not allowing it. But ultimately it is the American people that are allowing our democratic power to be usurped.

And at the very least, if we are just too locked into the party mindset...for the love of God, make them do something for our votes. Hold them accountable, don't let them take your vote for granted at the end of the day because they have figured out what it takes to insure your vote.

and I am saying that I am voting for McCain because he is the closest thing to the above for me. period.

and in the greater scope, only republicans meet my standard right now.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

and I am saying that I am voting for McCain because he is the closest thing to the above for me. period.

and in the greater scope, only republicans meet my standard right now.

Ferd, but I know alot of Americans that think like you do and whose standards match yours, and if we all just remain in our partisan sandboxes and not make our vote match the policies we actually want to see...we are all losers.

I don't believe that McCain feels like he has to do what the majority want him to do about immigration and other issues because he knows that 90% of the people on this forum do have a Republican or bust mentality...so what's the point of working for it.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by tstew

Ferd, but I know alot of Americans that think like you do and whose standards match yours, and if we all just remain in our partisan sandboxes and not make our vote match the policies we actually want to see...we are all losers.

I don't believe that McCain feels like he has to do what the majority want him to do about immigration and other issues because he knows that 90% of the people on this forum do have a Republican or bust mentality...so what's the point of working for it.

Let me just add how the inevitable scene of conservative leaders and radio hosts jumping on the McCain bandwagon after speaking out against his brand of ideaology illustrates the nature of partisanship. You end up having to support someone inspite of your convictions without them having to do much to line up to those convictions.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Mike/Stew let me tell you why I am a partisan.

I believe in keeping taxes low on everybody (the rich too). I believe in getting taxes lower for businesses because high taxes force manufacturing jobs over seas, increace the cost of goods and services and reduce the number of people a business can employ.

I believe in putting people on the supreme court who will NOT create legislation out of thin air.

I believe that a person should have a right to both join a union and also to keep a job or get a job without being forced to join a union.

I belive in a strong military and that losing in Iraq is a horrible reality that makes America both weaker and more vulnerable to islamic terrorist attack.

I believe that you cannot make the economy stronger by taking money out of the economy and handing it to the government.

I believe that we must drill for oil in America and cut off the middle east.

I believe that the government spends far too much and needs to stop spending like drunken sailors.

I believe that while the cost of healthcare is too high, the fix does not include socializing 1/5 of the American economy.

I do not believe the Republicans have accomplished all or even most of this, but I do know that ONLY the Republicans are the only ones who can do this.

I am pragmatic enought to realize the main reason these things have not gotten done completely since 1980 when the conservitive movement really formed, is because there are enough Americans that DO NOT agree with me at all.

This is the tug of war.


I am also pragmatic enough to believe that some Republicans (and many recently) who either believe these things or have said they do, have flinced and backed down.
while I believe those people need to be replaced, I do not believe you replace them with someone who will work to prevent everything I believe in from happening.

So, I vote for republicans and will work to get rid of bad republicans by replacing them with other republicans.

I am a partisian republican because I will NOT vote for someone, or find political value in someone who believes the opposite of what I believe.


So, call me a partisian. but dont be bewildered when i dont buy it when a democrat talks about change and being different when they clearly believe in exactly the opposite of what I believe and have said as much.


love you guys.


PS, I am also a partisian republican because voting for Bob Barr will get Barak Obama elected.

Ferd, I respect your opinion and I think you know that. I don't question your motives at all. I know you want what's best for the country and that unites you and I.

I simply have had enough of the fiscal liberals that have taken over the Republican party. They've plunged this country in to trillions of dollars of needless debt. While we borrow money from the Chinese, our "friends" the Iraqi's have a $79 billion dollar surplus. It's foolish.

Instead of pre-emptively striking countries that have NOT provoked us(Saddam Hussein hated Bin laden and qaeda), our resources would have been much better spent on finding alternative fuels, and securing our borders.

The party of Lincoln now believes that tapping my phone without a warrant is above board. Forget that quaint document, the Constitution and all my pertaining rights under the law. The Republican party of the last 8 years has also decided that torturing enemy captives is acceptable.

There comes a point when a party simply gets too far off base and a message has to be sent. I've chosen to not blindly support a party who's left it's true north and take a stand on principle.

I'm not condeming or criticizing anyone for not agreeing with me. I just retain the right to vote my principles until someone gets our message.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Ferd, I respect your opinion and I think you know that. I don't question your motives at all. I know you want what's best for the country and that unites you and I.

I simply have had enough of the fiscal liberals that have taken over the Republican party. They've plunged this country in to trillions of dollars of needless debt. While we borrow money from the Chinese, our "friends" the Iraqi's have a $79 billion dollar surplus. It's foolish.

Instead of pre-emptively striking countries that have NOT provoked us(Saddam Hussein hated Bin laden and qaeda), our resources would have been much better spent on finding alternative fuels, and securing our borders.

The party of Lincoln now believes that tapping my phone without a warrant is above board. Forget that quaint document, the Constitution and all my pertaining rights under the law. The Republican party of the last 8 years has also decided that torturing enemy captives is acceptable.

There comes a point when a party simply gets too far off base and a message has to be sent. I've chosen to not blindly support a party who's left it's true north and take a stand on principle.

I'm not condeming or criticizing anyone for not agreeing with me. I just retain the right to vote my principles until someone gets our message.

Really? you think that your phone can just be tapped for no reason at all?

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Really? you think that your phone can just be tapped for no reason at all?

I didn't say that Baron. It's my understanding that the Bush version of FISA can now tap any phone call solely because I'm receiving it from "a person reasonably believed to be located outside the United States." No mention of supposed terrorists or terrorists watch lists as it was previously. This is all at the discretion of the attorney general and the Director of National Intelligence with the secret court doing nothing but overseeing the methods.

So, if my friend from Ecuador calls, the federal government needs no other reason to eavesdrop on my conversation. Right or wrong?