New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentance

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Maybe Bernard is not as far off from Mizpeh as we think:



http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...al/New-Ch5.htm

Most 3 steppers I've encountered ... even here say Forgiveness happens at repentance .... while remission happens at water baptism.

I believe Elder Epley would agree this is the common notion among 3 step theology

Firstly I have never claimed to be a 3-stepper. Acts 2:38 is the only way for men to be saved since Pentecost.
However Dan is correct sins are forgiven at repentance but not remitted until they are baptized in Jesus Name. My thoughts on this is simple I am a simple person sins were forgiven in the OT but NOT remitted. Man's sins were remitted at Calvary by the blood and through baptism in Jesus Name the penitent recieves that benefit recieved by his shed blood.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Firstly I have never claimed to be a 3-stepper. Acts 2:38 is the only way for men to be saved since Pentecost.
However Dan is correct sins are forgiven at repentance but not remitted until they are baptized in Jesus Name. My thoughts on this is simple I am a simple person sins were forgiven in the OT but NOT remitted. Man's sins were remitted at Calvary by the blood and through faith in Jesus work on the cross the penitent receives that benefit received by his shed blood.

I agree 100%

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Firstly I have never claimed to be a 3-stepper. Acts 2:38 is the only way for men to be saved since Pentecost.
However Dan is correct sins are forgiven at repentance but not remitted until they are baptized in Jesus Name. My thoughts on this is simple I am a simple person sins were forgiven in the OT but NOT remitted. Man's sins were remitted at Calvary by the blood and through baptism in Jesus Name the penitent recieves that benefit recieved by his shed blood.

Elder .... did you vote?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Firstly I have never claimed to be a 3-stepper. Acts 2:38 is the only way for men to be saved since Pentecost.
However Dan is correct sins are forgiven at repentance but not remitted until they are baptized in Jesus Name. My thoughts on this is simple I am a simple person sins were forgiven in the OT but NOT remitted. Man's sins were remitted at Calvary by the blood and through baptism in Jesus Name the penitent recieves that benefit recieved by his shed blood.

There is no differance,if your sins are forgiven they are remitted.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Joelel

There is no differance,if your sins are forgiven they are remitted.

If that is so why were men's sins not remitted in the OT??? They were forgiven. Heb.9 & 10 declares sins were NOT taken away. John declared "the Lamb that TAKETH away the sin of the world." Jn.1:29
ONLY the shedding of blood remits sins. Heb. 9:22
Remission of sins is in His blood which was shed for many. Mt. 26:28
I realize both forgiveness and remission comes from the same Greek word and both are purchased by His blood yet NOT the same in functions and experience.
ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name are the sins of the penitent remitted.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If that is so why were men's sins not remitted in the OT??? They were forgiven. Heb.9 & 10 declares sins were NOT taken away. John declared "the Lamb that TAKETH away the sin of the world." Jn.1:29
ONLY the shedding of blood remits sins. Heb. 9:22
Remission of sins is in His blood which was shed for many. Mt. 26:28
I realize both forgiveness and remission comes from the same Greek word and both are purchased by His blood yet NOT the same in functions and experience.
ONLY in baptism in Jesus Name are the sins of the penitent remitted.

My friend, In the old testament there were types and shadows of the blood of Jesus that put off sins until Jesus blood was given.

Heb.8
[1] Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[2] A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[3] For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[4] For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:[5] Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.



Heb.10
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

[TCSQ]

[QUOTE=Joelel;583219]My friend, In the old testament there were types and shadows of the blood of Jesus that put off sins until Jesus blood was given.






And my friend there are also Types and shadows in the Old testament that show while the blood was applied in Egypt, protecting them from the death angel, it was the WATER that saved them OUT of Egypt. The blood applied in Noahs day since the days of Abel in sacrifice but the water saving his family.
It always keeps coming back to a combined Blood Water Spirit typology, and one that for whatever reason causes some people a great deal of consternation in trying to divide up. These three agree in ONE the word says, so I guess we water blood and spirit people are "ONE steppers" after all!

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by TCSQ

And my friend there are also Types and shadows in the Old testament that show while the blood was applied in Egypt, protecting them from the death angel, it was the WATER that saved them OUT of Egypt. The blood applied in Noahs day since the days of Abel in sacrifice but the water saving his family.
It always keeps coming back to a combined Blood Water Spirit typology, and one that for whatever reason causes some people a great deal of consternation in trying to divide up. These three agree in ONE the word says, so I guess we water blood and spirit people are "ONE steppers" after all!

This is a very good point you have made.

[Joelel]

[QUOTE=TCSQ;583232]

Originally Posted by Joelel

My friend, In the old testament there were types and shadows of the blood of Jesus that put off sins until Jesus blood was given.






And my friend there are also Types and shadows in the Old testament that show while the blood was applied in Egypt, protecting them from the death angel, it was the WATER that saved them OUT of Egypt. The blood applied in Noahs day since the days of Abel in sacrifice but the water saving his family.
It always keeps coming back to a combined Blood Water Spirit typology, and one that for whatever reason causes some people a great deal of consternation in trying to divide up. These three agree in ONE the word says, so I guess we water blood and spirit people are "ONE steppers" after all!

Looks that way,three are one.