Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Can you provide your scripture basis for this?
Bro. David K. Bernard wrote about how Justification, Regeneration, Adoption, and Sanctification all work together for the salvation of the individual in his book, The New Birth. I believe it's chapter 13.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Bro. David K. Bernard wrote about how Justification, Regeneration, Adoption, and Sanctification all work together for the salvation of the individual in his book, The New Birth. I believe it's chapter 13.
Bernard tries to link Oneness Pentecostalism doctrine with mainstream Christianity in certain places in this book. He almost makes it sound convincing.
When I first read the book I was like YEE HAW Bernard has it right but then I got over into other chapters and he basically went back on everything.
That is why this is dangerous because he tries to make himself sound like be believes in justification by faith but his definition of faith means Repentance, Baptism, and Holy Spirit Baptism, and living a holy life. It is just another way that they say one thing that SOUNDS like mainstream Christianity yet means something completely different.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
Bernard tries to link Oneness Pentecostalism doctrine with mainstream Christianity in certain places in this book. He almost makes it sound convincing.
When I first read the book I was like YEE HAW Bernard has it right but then I got over into other chapters and he basically went back on everything.
That is why this is dangerous because he tries to make himself sound like be believes in justification by faith but his definition of faith means Repentance, Baptism, and Holy Spirit Baptism, and living a holy life. It is just another way that they say one thing that SOUNDS like mainstream Christianity yet means something completely different.
Bro... you're justa nitpickin'. lol
If Oneness Pentecostalism isn't linked with historic Christianity....tell me....what Bible do you use? Was it translated by historic Christians? What about songs and music sung in church? Was much of it written by historic Christians? C'mon bro...the truth is the truth...but it's be a journey to get out from under much of the false doctrine of the Catholic Church.
I don't believe that Oneness Pentecostalism is a different religion than mainstream Christianity. I see mainstream Christianity as a Christianity bound by unbiblical traditions and misconceptions. I see Oneness Pentecostalism as being a Revival of Apostolic Christianity. We are the Revival that many reformers prayed for, worked for, and even gave their lives in the hopes of seeing.
We have a rich heritage going all the way back through Christian history through the dark ages all the way back to the Apostolic church of the Bible.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Bro... you're justa nitpickin'. lol
If Oneness Pentecostalism isn't linked with historic Christianity....tell me....what Bible do you use? Was it translated by historic Christians? What about songs and music sung in church? Was much of it written by historic Christians? C'mon bro...the truth is the truth...but it's be a journey to get out from under much of the false doctrine of the Catholic Church.
I don't believe that Oneness Pentecostalism is a different religion than mainstream Christianity. I see mainstream Christianity as a Christianity bound by unbiblical traditions and misconceptions. I see Oneness Pentecostalism as being a Revival of Apostolic Christianity. We are the Revival that many reformers prayed for, worked for, and even gave their lives in the hopes of seeing.
We have a rich heritage going all the way back through Christian history through the dark ages all the way back to the Apostolic church of the Bible.
It might sound like I am nitpicking but the Gospel is so powerful that I can't stand to take anything away. By adding our steps to what Christ has done we are basically saying that it wasn't finished on the Cross.
I believe in repentance, baptism, holy spirit infilling, and all the other commands of the bible but these come after the new birth. I have to disagree with Bernard on his view of the new birth even though he tries his best to link it up with orthodox doctrine.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
It might sound like I am nitpicking but the Gospel is so powerful that I can't stand to take anything away. By adding our steps to what Christ has done we are basically saying that it wasn't finished on the Cross.
I believe in repentance, baptism, holy spirit infilling, and all the other commands of the bible but these come after the new birth. I have to disagree with Bernard on his view of the new birth even though he tries his best to link it up with orthodox doctrine.
I want you to answer this one question by stating one word.... either "Jesus" or "Man"....
Is the command to water baptize, and be water baptized, from Jesus or man?
(Matthew 28:19 KJV)
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(Mark 16:16-17 KJV)
(16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
(John 3:5 KJV)
(5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I want you to answer this one question by stating one word.... either "Jesus" or "Man"....
Is the command to water baptize, and be water baptized, from Jesus or man?
(Matthew 28:19 KJV)
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(Mark 16:16-17 KJV)
(16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
(John 3:5 KJV)
(5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Bro. David K. Bernard wrote about how Justification, Regeneration, Adoption, and Sanctification all work together for the salvation of the individual in his book, The New Birth. I believe it's chapter 13.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Bro. David K. Bernard wrote about how Justification, Regeneration, Adoption, and Sanctification all work together for the salvation of the individual in his book, The New Birth. I believe it's chapter 13.
Lol, I asked for scripture, not David Bernard's book. I want to know if YOU have scripture.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Lol, I asked for scripture, not David Bernard's book. I want to know if YOU have scripture.
Ok, so the manual isn't scripture, and now you are saying DB's book isn't scripture. Next thing you'll be saying is that AOF isn't scripture and Haneywood isn't the Holiest of Holies!!
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