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04-02-2007, 04:42 PM
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I would not define it as such. Rather I would define it as universal reconciliation. That is why , according to Paul, our destiny "...depends not on human WILL or exertion, but on God who shows mercy" ( Rom. 9.16); it is also why the New Testament generally credits even repentance ( 2 Tim. 2.25), faith ( Eph. 2.8), and belief ( Acts 13.48) to the WORK OF GOD within.
In other words, our destiny depends much more on what God has done than what we do. Our works in the earth will be called to account to see what they are made of, if it is of God we will be rewarded accordingly. If our works are not of God they will all be burned up, however we will be saved "how be it by fire."
We are called to repentance and obedience, so we can enter into God's life now by grace thru faith, or we will go thru the fire. |
Semantics....amounts to once saved always saved
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04-02-2007, 05:26 PM
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Hold your seats but I heard A. A. Allen preach once God is a Killer! God has judgment and justice just like he has mercy and grace.
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04-02-2007, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Hold your seats but I heard A. A. Allen preach once God is a Killer! God has judgment and justice just like he has mercy and grace.
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God's judgment and justice are not independent of His grace and mercy. Both His mercy and His severity precedes out of His love. Just like parents love and severity serve the best interest of their children. Jesus came to redeem, reconcile and restore relationship with His creation, not to condemn and destroy. He will not leave any forever in their sinful state, even in a hellhole, death and hell will eventually be completely destroyed in the lake of fire, when they have served their purpose. Then God will be "all in all." 
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04-02-2007, 06:36 PM
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God hates just like he loves and yes he hates people.
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04-02-2007, 06:48 PM
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God hates just like he loves and yes he hates people.
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Yeah, Bro, just like you must "hate" father and mother, etc, in order to please Him. 
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04-02-2007, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
Semantics....amounts to once saved always saved
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OK, God is not an indian giver, He sent His Son to reconcile man to Himself, and Jesus paid for man's sin with His priceless blood. What God has purposed He will accomplish. Neither wimpy satan nor the "so called freewill of man" will hinder His purpose.
However, don't make the mistake of believing that this means you can just live out the fleshly desires with impunity. The "fire" of the refiner and the "soap" of the launderer will be applied, and every "penney will be paid", a just recompense of reward. Those who are already in Christ will enter into the "joy of the Lord", those who have not entered into the "narrow gate" will enter into "age abiding" purging, I do not want to be in that number. In the end however, death and hell will be finally destroyed in the lake of fire, that cannot be quenched until it has accomplished His purpose.
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04-02-2007, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
OK, God is not an indian giver, He sent His Son to reconcile man to Himself, and Jesus paid for man's sin with His priceless blood. What God has purposed He will accomplish. Neither wimpy satan nor the "so called freewill of man" will hinder His purpose.
However, don't make the mistake of believing that this means you can just live out the fleshly desires with impunity. The "fire" of the refiner and the "soap" of the launderer will be applied, and every "penney will be paid", a just recompense of reward. Those who are already in Christ will enter into the "joy of the Lord", those who have not entered into the "narrow gate" will enter into "age abiding" purging, I do not want to be in that number. In the end however, death and hell will be finally destroyed in the lake of fire, that cannot be quenched until it has accomplished His purpose.
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I have stated before, He doesn't reject us, we reject Him. We have freedom to do things that alienate us from Him.
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04-03-2007, 07:59 AM
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crakjak
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I have stated before, He doesn't reject us, we reject Him. We have freedom to do things that alienate us from Him.
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To truly reject Christ, one must truly know Christ.
NO HUMAN BEING who truly comes to know Christ will reject Him ever.
They may stray, due to weakness of the flesh, but will never deny or reject Christ.
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04-03-2007, 10:47 AM
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To truly reject Christ, one must truly know Christ.
NO HUMAN BEING who truly comes to know Christ will reject Him ever.
They may stray, due to weakness of the flesh, but will never deny or reject Christ.
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Nonsense.
You can speak for the rest of humanity in what they will or will not do then base a doctrine on that faulty assumption??
I can reject a Toyota or a Honda without knowing anything about them but just like what I am driving and continue on in my preference even though it may be a piece of junk...
God gave the ultimate sacrifice...no matter who you are you have to apply it to your life...
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid...
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04-03-2007, 05:07 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Jekyll
Nonsense.
You can speak for the rest of humanity in what they will or will not do then base a doctrine on that faulty assumption??
I can reject a Toyota or a Honda without knowing anything about them but just like what I am driving and continue on in my preference even though it may be a piece of junk...
God gave the ultimate sacrifice...no matter who you are you have to apply it to your life...
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid...
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With all due respect God is not a Honda or Toyota. He is the Savior of the world.
Roman 5. 12-21 Tells us that what the first Adam did for the human race (condemnation), the second Adam did even more (reconciliation). How much of the race did Adams cause condemnation? Jesus sacrifice covers the same number. The point being that without any effort on your part you were condemned, likewise is the free gift.
Do you continue in sin, of course not, your are reconciled so enter in to life thru Jesus blood. Otherwise you will go thru judgement and punishment (the setting of things right).
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