Is God Free to Not Chose to Love and Save All...?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by CupCake

Sure but it cost you.... I think I'll just view for now.

That's great.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Your doctrine is convoluted, God hates all this stuff yet he will go ahead and save a few of those that He hates. So he really is a respecter of persons, he favors some over others, so He is partial and unfair. You may say He is God so He can do anything He chooses. Well, he will choose to do that which is consistent with His character.

Yes, He chooses to save a few, but not based on anything inherent in those He chooses to save. Thus, he is not being a respecter of persons because those He saves and those He does not save were both equally wicked and deserving of the lake of fire. God doing things like this solely out of the counsel of His own will is entirely consistent with His character.

Originally Posted by crakjak

I would not define it as such. Rather I would define it as universal reconciliation. That is why , according to Paul, our destiny "...depends not on human WILL or exertion, but on God who shows mercy" (Rom. 9.16); it is also why the New Testament generally credits even repentance (2 Tim. 2.25), faith (Eph. 2.8), and belief (Acts 13.48) to the WORK OF GOD within.

In other words, our destiny depends much more on what God has done than what we do. Our works in the earth will be called to account to see what they are made of, if it is of God we will be rewarded accordingly. If our works are not of God they will all be burned up, however we will be saved "how be it by fire."

We are called to repentance and obedience, so we can enter into God's life now by grace thru faith, or we will go thru the fire.

That's how I view it~

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I would not define it as such. Rather I would define it as universal reconciliation. That is why , according to Paul, our destiny "...depends not on human WILL or exertion, but on God who shows mercy" (Rom. 9.16); it is also why the New Testament generally credits even repentance (2 Tim. 2.25), faith (Eph. 2.8), and belief (Acts 13.48) to the WORK OF GOD within.

In other words, our destiny depends much more on what God has done than what we do. Our works in the earth will be called to account to see what they are made of, if it is of God we will be rewarded accordingly. If our works are not of God they will all be burned up, however we will be saved "how be it by fire."

We are called to repentance and obedience, so we can enter into God's life now by grace thru faith, or we will go thru the fire.

Semantics....amounts to once saved always saved

[Steve Epley]

Hold your seats but I heard A. A. Allen preach once God is a Killer! God has judgment and justice just like he has mercy and grace.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Hold your seats but I heard A. A. Allen preach once God is a Killer! God has judgment and justice just like he has mercy and grace.

God's judgment and justice are not independent of His grace and mercy. Both His mercy and His severity precedes out of His love. Just like parents love and severity serve the best interest of their children. Jesus came to redeem, reconcile and restore relationship with His creation, not to condemn and destroy. He will not leave any forever in their sinful state, even in a hellhole, death and hell will eventually be completely destroyed in the lake of fire, when they have served their purpose. Then God will be "all in all."

[Steve Epley]

God hates just like he loves and yes he hates people.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Semantics....amounts to once saved always saved

OK, God is not an indian giver, He sent His Son to reconcile man to Himself, and Jesus paid for man's sin with His priceless blood. What God has purposed He will accomplish. Neither wimpy satan nor the "so called freewill of man" will hinder His purpose.

However, don't make the mistake of believing that this means you can just live out the fleshly desires with impunity. The "fire" of the refiner and the "soap" of the launderer will be applied, and every "penney will be paid", a just recompense of reward. Those who are already in Christ will enter into the "joy of the Lord", those who have not entered into the "narrow gate" will enter into "age abiding" purging, I do not want to be in that number. In the end however, death and hell will be finally destroyed in the lake of fire, that cannot be quenched until it has accomplished His purpose.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

God hates just like he loves and yes he hates people.

Yeah, Bro, just like you must "hate" father and mother, etc, in order to please Him.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by crakjak

OK, God is not an indian giver, He sent His Son to reconcile man to Himself, and Jesus paid for man's sin with His priceless blood. What God has purposed He will accomplish. Neither wimpy satan nor the "so called freewill of man" will hinder His purpose.

However, don't make the mistake of believing that this means you can just live out the fleshly desires with impunity. The "fire" of the refiner and the "soap" of the launderer will be applied, and every "penney will be paid", a just recompense of reward. Those who are already in Christ will enter into the "joy of the Lord", those who have not entered into the "narrow gate" will enter into "age abiding" purging, I do not want to be in that number. In the end however, death and hell will be finally destroyed in the lake of fire, that cannot be quenched until it has accomplished His purpose.

I have stated before, He doesn't reject us, we reject Him. We have freedom to do things that alienate us from Him.