In the past, in recognition of the fact that the electorate historically is 60% conservative, and then some moderates/centrists, leftists and socialists needed to run as moderates or even as mildly conservative in order to get elected. Any socialism was held close to the vest, and put into policy stealthily.
Nowadays, with Republicans blatantly pushing for socialist policy in the mix of "conservative" agenda, the leftists must recognize that the time is ripe to take off the mask. There is a far greater percentage of the population that is open to socialist ideas, and there is a far greater percentage of the population that is oblivious and/or ignorant, than in the past, even the recent past.
This is true. I had a conversation with my son and one of his friends this past weekend (both are 15 years old). The friend's dad works a low-paying, physical labor job. His mother never leaves the house. They rent an apartment in a poor part of town and don't have much of their own. When he indicated that his family was for Obama because he is going to help people like them, I asked him where he thought he would get the money to do that. His response was frightening. He said, "from the rich people." When I reminded him that we are a constitutional republic, and that what he was suggesting was Marxist socialism/borderline communism, he said, "who cares. We need help."
I wasn't trying to get into a brawling argument with this kid, but I wanted to say that the help they need is for his dad to get out of the bottle and try to improve his own self and his own life. His mom needs to get the mental help she needs to get out of the house and help contribute to her family instead of being a financial and emotional drain on it. There are plenty of (admittedly socialist) programs already in place to help people that want help and are willing to do a little work. But come on!!!
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Some of us are still cognizant of the fact that back when patriotic Americans were still eager to bust communists in the chops, Saul Alinsky and William Ayers were the sorts of communists whose chops made the menu. It's clear that those whose values are wholly or in part inherited from the John Birch society or the Reagan defeat of communism can connect the dots and see that Obama is the most blatantly Marxist person to ever seek the presidency.
I'm 41 years old, so I don't have first hand knowledge and experience of the passion with which Communists were exposed and demonized. I do remember learning of the McCarthy hearings in school, though, and even back then (70's and 80's) the liberal/social agenda had already creeped into the schools because of the spin that was put on how this was carried out. I'm not saying mistakes weren't made, but the way this is taught in school is much like how we pentecostals would look at the Inquisitions.
This is a VERY sad and troubling time in the USA. I've told my family, and I honestly believe, that if BO is elected the USA of history will be no more. The foundation has already been laid.
This is a VERY sad and troubling time in the USA. I've told my family, and I honestly believe, that if BO is elected the USA of history will be no more. The foundation has already been laid.
Hey buddy, the USA of history is ALREADY no more, in many aspects, negative and positive.
9/11 changed us forever and I don't think it necessarily had to. But it did and now we are not as free as we were before 9/11. Everyone is more careful, some say it's good, I'm sure it's not-- I just don't know how to put words to it without seeming irresponsible in terms of "security and safety".
Another glaring example is America's invasion of Iraq. With that one act, we lost years and years of credibility as a just nation in the eyes of the international community.
Most folks don't realize how unjust this action was-- not the actions of the troops, but the action of the Government that dictates the actions of the troops. Hussein got what was coming to him, but it should not have been us.
GWB's pumping of government cash into private, commercial banks HAS NEVER been done before and is THE CLOSEST TO SOCIALISM our country has lurked, ever. It happened on a Republican's watch, after 6 years of Republican domination of the House and Senate.
What he did will prove to be wise financially, but that man has violated a founding principle.
He has crossed a line that our country will never retreat from. He did so in the name of money.
Yes, the foundation for change has been laid, thanks to our Republican leadership!
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Hey buddy, the USA of history is ALREADY no more, in many aspects, negative and positive.
9/11 changed us forever and I don't think it necessarily had to. But it did and now we are not as free as we were before 9/11. Everyone is more careful, some say it's good, I'm sure it's not-- I just don't know how to put words to it without seeming irresponsible in terms of "security and safety".
How are we not as free? Because of the domestic and international survelliance conducted by the goverment? Please. You don't want the CIA or FBI listening to phone conversations between terrorists and thier sympathizers here in the US? They can listen to me all they want. I have nothing to hide. I'm in no danger. The only folks who should worry are terrorists and those that would aid and abet them.
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Another glaring example is America's invasion of Iraq. With that one act, we lost years and years of credibility as a just nation in the eyes of the international community.
Most folks don't realize how unjust this action was-- not the actions of the troops, but the action of the Government that dictates the actions of the troops. Hussein got what was coming to him, but it should not have been us.
Okay. Let's talk about the FACTS here. I know its not always a convenient factor when it comes to the Bush bashers on Iraq but the truth can make you free if you're willing to embrace it. First, EVERYONE, including nations that opposed our actions against Hussein, all were in agreement that Hussein had WMDs in violation of the original cease-fire agreement of 1991. The info was proven to be faulty, but no one at the time had any reason to believe it was not true.
The loss of credibility was not with the US but with the UN since Hussen had violated 17 UN Resolutions and they did not have the integrity to back up those resolutions. Bush showed leadership, with a coaliton of many nations including Britian, Poland, Spain, Italy and dozens of other countries in support.
We did not lose a reputation as a just nation, just ask the millions of Iraqis who are living with more freedom than ever, more security, democracy, and prosperity. If we were unjust, 1399, why haven't we helped out our economy by trading the so-called "blood for oil" that the Bush bashers love to chant? We traded blood for freedom and justice in Iraq, as we always do. We are rebuilding this nation, its infrastructure and its fundamental institutions for a stable and freedom loving nation. Time is proving our credibility.
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GWB's pumping of government cash into private, commercial banks HAS NEVER been done before and is THE CLOSEST TO SOCIALISM our country has lurked, ever. It happened on a Republican's watch, after 6 years of Republican domination of the House and Senate.
What he did will prove to be wise financially, but that man has violated a founding principle.
He has crossed a line that our country will never retreat from. He did so in the name of money.
Yes, the foundation for change has been laid, thanks to our Republican leadership!
Nothing Bush has done has come near FDR's New Deal or LBJ's Great Society. It is my understanding that private industry is supposed to pay the taxpayers back with interest and the ownership of the banking industry will return to the private sector. Lee Iacocca paid the US Treasury back the money we pumped into Chrysler to save it and the taxpayers actually made a profit. The S & L bailout did essentially the same thing. There is no plan or design for the government to own these financial institutions permanently.
1399 I see a trend in your posts. Much like the Obama campaign you repeat the talking points to dodge and weave and point the finger to divert the attention away from the truth. If the media wasn't so in the tank for BO and pro-Democrat, much of the misinformation out there about Iraq, the economy, the Obama campaign, Sarah Palin, etc would not exist.
Thanks for continuing to spread the false assertions and Bush bashing. Keep saying it enough times and people will eventually believe it. It has been effective for the NY Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, et al. It might be effective for you too.
Except for those of us who won't drink the Kool Aid without checking for the cyanide first.
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How are we not as free? Because of the domestic and international survelliance conducted by the goverment? Please. You don't want the CIA or FBI listening to phone conversations between terrorists and thier sympathizers here in the US? They can listen to me all they want. I have nothing to hide. I'm in no danger. The only folks who should worry are terrorists and those that would aid and abet them.
We are not as free as in we are not as carefree. That's mainly what I was pointing to. However, there are other ways in which there is a heightened tension, call it scrutiny if you will, on some of the mundane.
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Okay. Let's talk about the FACTS here. I know its not always a convenient factor when it comes to the Bush bashers on Iraq but the truth can make you free if you're willing to embrace it. First, EVERYONE, including nations that opposed our actions against Hussein, all were in agreement that Hussein had WMDs in violation of the original cease-fire agreement of 1991. The info was proven to be faulty, but no one at the time had any reason to believe it was not true.
The loss of credibility was not with the US but with the UN since Hussen had violated 17 UN Resolutions and they did not have the integrity to back up those resolutions. Bush showed leadership, with a coaliton of many nations including Britian, Poland, Spain, Italy and dozens of other countries.
We did not lose a reputation as a just nation, just ask the millions of Iraqis who are living with more freedom than ever, more security, democracy, and prosperity. If we were unjust, 1399, why haven't we helped out our economy by trading the so-called "blood for oil" that the Bush bashers love to chant? We traded blood for freedom and justice in Iraq, as we always do. We are rebuilding this nation, its infrastructure and its fundamental institutions for a stable and freedom loving nation. Time is proving our credibility.
The WMD's argument was not worthy of an invasion, according to the U.N.
When we did it anyway, GWB gambled with our Country's credibility and our credibility suffered a black eye because of it.
Though your assessment is fair and truthful, it is not debatable that the American Government was and still is frowned upon for our actions in Iraq.
Fairly or unfairly, we loss credibility in the international community.
GWB's perceived bungling of Hurricane Katrina feeds the idea that America is more interested in fixing other countries without trying to fix her own.
We know that GWB was the last person to fail the residents of New Orleans, but that's the burden of leadership. Fairly or not, GWB's actions are perceived to have damaged badly our credibility.
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
Nothing Bush has done has come near FDR's New Deal or LBJ's Great Society. It is my understanding that private industry is supposed to pay the taxpayers back with interest and the ownership of the banking industry will return to the private sector. Lee Iacocca paid the US Treasury back the money we pumped into Chrysler to save it and the taxpayers actually made a profit. The S & L bailout did essentially the same thing. There is no plan or design for the government to own these financial institutions permanently.
Examining LBJ's Great Society, I read there was a lot of good that came out of this plan. Most of the stuff in his plan is just good policy for our Country.
I do not call this Socialism.
Furthermore, spending for this plan expanded EXPONENTIALLY under Republican leadership, that is established fact as well.
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
Examining LBJ's Great Society, I read there was a lot of good that came out of this plan. Most of the stuff in his plan is just good policy for our Country.
I do not call this Socialism.
Furthermore, spending for this plan expanded EXPONENTIALLY under Republican leadership, that is established fact as well.
The Great Soociety was called "the war on poverty". Its goal was to eliminate poverty n the US. Many of the current entitlement programs that made people codependent on government social programs started here, the most famous of which was Welfare. 7 trillion dollars later poverty is still with us and Welfare had to be altered because it was a failed program. It was a redistribution of wealth effort that has ended up doing what all socialist programs do: fail.
I do call it socialism and so do its believers. They aren't ashamed of the label, why should you?
As far as the failure of Republicans from 2001-2006 to curb sending while cutting taxes has been criticized by many conservatives including myself. I wrote a letter to the RNC in 2006 repremanding them for their failure in this regard. We found out that "compassionate conservatism" was a misnomer. It was just liberal Republicanism in disguise.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Examining LBJ's Great Society, I read there was a lot of good that came out of this plan. Most of the stuff in his plan is just good policy for our Country.
I do not call this Socialism.
Furthermore, spending for this plan expanded EXPONENTIALLY under Republican leadership, that is established fact as well.
1399, do you realize that the word "projects" comes from LBJ's great society and his war on poverty?
Anybody who ever said they came from the "projects" didnt mean they had a fantastic education and wonderful childhood.
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1399 I see a trend in your posts. Much like the Obama campaign you repeat the talking points to dodge and weave and point the finger to divert the attention away from the truth. If the media wasn't so in the tank for BO and pro-Democrat, much of the misinformation out there about Iraq, the economy, the Obama campaign, Sarah Palin, etc would not exist.
Thanks for continuing to spread the false assertions and Bush bashing. Keep saying it enough times and people will eventually believe it. It has been effective for the NY Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, et al. It might be effective for you too.
Except for those of us who won't drink the Kool Aid without checking for the cyanide first.
DB,
Do you care to expound on the MISINFORMATION that is being circulated Iraq, the economy, Obama, Palin and etc?
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