Prophetic Word about the Election

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by StMark

Well, you're definitely to the FAR, I mean Extreme far left of the vast majority of the UPC

I see what you mean. From my perspective I'm just trying to find a balance and a just society for all people in this country. The UPCI has charged to the extreme right leaving me in the middle arguing for justice while they demand obedience to their extreme ideology. There are times when I want to leave church and never return because I know I'm not welcome unless I'm a Republican. And I've warned every one of my Democratic friends never to visit an Apostolic church because they will be hated. That's just the plain God's honest truth. Because in America...the vast majority of our churches are nothing but right wing political action committees...and I'm not afraid to admit it or warn people about it. I've even had my car vandalized by church members in the church parking lot last election because I opposed George Bush.

It's all a joke...and most are self deceived into thinking they're being Christians. No... sadly many are just Bible toting pawns of the Republican party.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Antipas

I see what you mean. From my perspective I'm just trying to find a balance and a just society for all people in this country. The UPCI has charged to the extreme right leaving me in the middle arguing for justice while they demand obedience to their extreme ideology. There are times when I want to leave church and never return because I know I'm not welcome unless I'm a Republican. And I've warned every one of my Democratic friends never to visit an Apostolic church because they will be hated. That's just the plain God's honest truth. Because in America...the vast majority of our churches are nothing but right wing political action committees...and I'm not afraid to admit it or warn people about it. I've even had my car vandalized by church members in the church parking lot last election because I opposed George Bush.

It's all a joke...and most are self deceived into thinking they're being Christians. No... sadly many are just Bible toting pawns of the Republican party.

That's not true. My father was a licensed UPC pastor/ preacher for 53 years. he was a Democrat til the day he died. my mom and brother and i are all democrat. A lot of church members are Democrat.I say you are not in the middle but to the far left. I don't mind some of your ideologies about $$$ but when it comes to moral biblical standards, that's where we part company. We didn't leave the party, the party is leaving us. they have allowed all these wackos to take over what use to be a good party.

It's what the Democrats are allowing to destroy the traditional family
that the UPC is more against then anything

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by StMark

That's not true. My father was a licensed UPC pastor/ preacher for 53 years. he was a Democrat til the day he died. my mom and brother and i are all democrat. A lot of church members are Democrat.I say you are not in the middle but to the far left. I don't mind some of your ideologies about $$$ but when it comes to moral biblical standards, that's where we part company. We didn't leave the party, the party is leaving us. they have allowed all these wackos to take over what use to be a good party.

It's what the Democrats are allowing to destroy the traditional family
that the UPC is more against then anything

Get real. Politicians don't destroy families. People destroy families. Affairs destroy families. Spousal abuse destroys families. Child abuse and molestation destroys families. More marriages are folding right now due to financial problems and being washed out of everything they ever worked for than affairs. They can't stay above water and they begin accusing each other.

If you want to protect the family...stop trusting that the Government is the savior of the family. Pray real prayers for families. Open a shelter for homeless and displaced families. Start a family counseling and crisis center in your church. If you know a family on your block who is sinking in debt and their at each other's throats, help them with groceries and let them know if they need ANYTHING to ask and you'll TRY to help. If you know a family suffering from an affair speak frankly and sensibly and try to bring reconciliation. If you want to save the family...PREACH AND LIVE THE GOSPEL. McCain can't save the family! And marriage is an institution ordained and created by God himself...the Democrats CAN'T destroy it. It's all right wing scare tactics and propaganda! So what, I have gay neighbors who claim to be "married"....does that make me love my wife and children less???? Does that make me suddenly want to go out and get gay married? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Dude....frankly....what that gay couple does in the privacy of their own home is their business. And I'm no pervert who obsesses over it and tries to control them. I want to show them the love of Christ and pray that they be saved. I'm a friend. If they have a house warming party, I go with a dynamite gift. My wife chit chats with them when out in the yard. They open up on occasion and say, "I know you're Pentecostal, but you're different. I used to go to church. I wish more Christians were like you." And yes, if one gets sick, I'd be the first to be willing to go to the hospital with my gay neighbor to pray for his partner. Would I tell my church???? NOPE. Because they would transfer their hatred to me and I refuse to put up with it.

The point is...the only hope for the family, even gay families, is the Gospel.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Get real. Politicians don't destroy families. People destroy families. Affairs destroy families. Spousal abuse destroys families. Child abuse and molestation destroys families. More marriages are folding right now due to financial problems and being washed out of everything they ever worked for than affairs. They can't stay above water and they begin accusing each other.

If you want to protect the family...stop trusting that the Government is the savior of the family. Pray real prayers for families. Open a shelter for homeless and displaced families. Start a family counseling and crisis center in your church. If you know a family on your block who is sinking in debt and their at each other's throats, help them with groceries and let them know if they need ANYTHING to ask and you'll TRY to help. If you know a family suffering from an affair speak frankly and sensibly and try to bring reconciliation. If you want to save the family...PREACH AND LIVE THE GOSPEL. McCain can't save the family! And marriage is an institution ordained and created by God himself...the Democrats CAN'T destroy it. It's all right wing scare tactics and propaganda! So what, I have gay neighbors who claim to be "married"....does that make me love my wife and children less???? Does that make me suddenly want to go out and get gay married? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Dude....frankly....what that gay couple does in the privacy of their own home is their business. And I'm no pervert who obsesses over it and tries to control them. I want to show them the love of Christ and pray that they be saved. I'm a friend. If they have a house warming party, I go with a dynamite gift. My wife chit chats with them when out in the yard. They open up on occasion and say, "I know you're Pentecostal, but you're different. I used to go to church. I wish more Christians were like you." And yes, if one gets sick, I'd be the first to be willing to go to the hospital with my gay neighbor to pray for his partner. Would I tell my church???? NOPE. Because they would transfer their hatred to me and I refuse to put up with it.

The point is...the only hope for the family, even gay families, is the Gospel.

As I read your post, I could not help but to think of that old song by Carman, "We Need Christ In America Again."

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by 1399

As I read your post, I could not help but to think of that old song by Carman, "We Need Christ In America Again."

Amen. We really do. But most of these cats Spell Christ, R-N-C. They salivate and worship the Republican Party to the point that they don't believe you're saved or even a Christian unless you vote like them. It's a manipulative abuse of spiritual authority. And that's what I feel called to speak against.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Amen. We really do. But most of these cats Spell Christ, R-N-C. They salivate and worship the Republican Party to the point that they don't believe you're saved or even a Christian unless you vote like them. It's a manipulative abuse of spiritual authority. And that's what I feel called to speak against.

So, Antipas, please tell me which liberties we've lost under Bush.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by StMark

That's not true. My father was a licensed UPC pastor/ preacher for 53 years. he was a Democrat til the day he died. my mom and brother and i are all democrat. A lot of church members are Democrat.I say you are not in the middle but to the far left. I don't mind some of your ideologies about $$$ but when it comes to moral biblical standards, that's where we part company. We didn't leave the party, the party is leaving us. they have allowed all these wackos to take over what use to be a good party.

It's what the Democrats are allowing to destroy the traditional family
that the UPC is more against then anything

There you go. Thank you.
I just said the same thing to him. Out of the mouth of 2 or more witnesses....

I cant believe this man actually wants to portray himself as being "in the middle".

In the middle of the far left, maybe.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

There you go. Thank you.
I just said the same thing to him. Out of the mouth of 2 or more witnesses....

I cant believe this man actually wants to portray himself as being "in the middle".

In the middle of the far left, maybe.

Bro....I am in the middle. The problem is that you're so far to the right wing extreme you see me way out on your left. But I assure you, if there were more liberal Brothers and Sisters here I do have lines I don't cross. And if they wanted to promote an extremist left wing agenda I'd radically denounce them also.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Bro....I am in the middle. The problem is that you're so far to the right wing extreme you see me way out on your left. But I assure you, if there were more liberal Brothers and Sisters here I do have lines I don't cross. And if they wanted to promote an extremist left wing agenda I'd radically denounce them also.

Give me a break.

A socialist-lover like you is not "in the middle".

Do you think I have forgotten your many posts speaking up in favor of Socialism and socialistic policies?
Do you really want me to go there? Lets not go there right now, or this conversation could really go downhill.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Give me a break.

A socialist-lover like you is not "in the middle".

Do you think I have forgotten your many posts speaking up in favor of Socialism and socialistic policies?
Do you really want me to go there? Lets not go there right now, or this conversation could really go downhill.

My ultimate point was that a Christian can be a Socialist. The history of Christian Socialism is quite rich in Europe, especially Britain. Britain is considered a Christian Socialist country. Israel is also a Socialist country. Socialism is just a different economic theory. Most are too stupid to see the difference between Socialism and Communism though so the two get really confused on occasion. I can respect Socialists though I don't agree with all of their ideology. Some of their ideas I see as provocative or interesting, I'll admit that. But me a devoted Socialist? Not quite.

Oh, and just for the record, notable American Christian Socialist and author, Francis Bellamy, was the author of the Pledge of Allegiance.