Is Allah God?....Dragons?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Most accepted him? What verse of scripture says that? I don't remember seeing that.

What verse says most didn't?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

What verse says most didn't?

You're serious?

I didn't make the assertion that most of the Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah.
You made the assertion.
So I assumed you had some scripture for it.

If your assertion wasn't based on scripture, what was it based on?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You're serious?

I didn't make the assertion that most of the Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah.
You made the assertion.
So I assumed you had some scripture for it.

If your assertion wasn't based on scripture, what was it based on?

It's based on information gleaned from several students and teachers of Middle Eastern History.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

What verse says most didn't?

All right, I can't think of any verse that tells us which proportion of Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah and which proportion did not.

In John 1:11 it says that He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
I take that to mean that on the whole, His own people (Jews) did not receive Him. This seems to say to me that the majority did not receive Him.

When Jesus wept over Jerusalem and said they would not see Him again until they said Baruch Ha Ba B'shem Adonai (Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord) I take that to mean that Israel as a group (not all individuals but most) rejected Him and will not accept Him until some time in the future.

Blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles is come in. The branches which were natural Israel have been cut off and spiritual Israel has been grafted in. But some time in the future there will be a turning to YHWH/Yeshua and Israel will be grafted back in. That's the way I understand the 144,000 in Revelation and the few couple chapters of Ezekiel and Zechariah in the Old Testament. Also, the parables of the groups invited to the wedding (Matthew 22:1-14); the two sons (Matthew 21:28-3) and the vineyard (Matthe 2:33-21).

I realize not all of us see some of these things the same way.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Sam

All right, I can't think of any verse that tells us which proportion of Jews accepted Jesus as Messiah and which proportion did not.

In John 1:11 it says that He came unto His own and His own received Him not.
I take that to mean that on the whole, His own people (Jews) did not receive Him. This seems to say to me that the majority did not receive Him.

When Jesus wept over Jerusalem and said they would not see Him again until they said Baruch Ha Ba B'shem Adonai (Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord) I take that to mean that Israel as a group (not all individuals but most) rejected Him and will not accept Him until some time in the future.

Blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles is come in. The branches which were natural Israel have been cut off and spiritual Israel has been grafted in. But some time in the future there will be a turning to YHWH/Yeshua and Israel will be grafted back in. That's the way I understand the 144,000 in Revelation and the few couple chapters of Ezekiel and Zechariah in the Old Testament. Also, the parables of the groups invited to the wedding (Matthew 22:1-14); the two sons (Matthew 21:28-3) and the vineyard (Matthe 2:33-21).

I realize not all of us see some of these things the same way.

Could John 1:11 just be talking about the Jews' history of turning from God? If the passage is taken in order, that part comes before the Word was made flesh.

[Jermyn Davidson]

C'mon now....

Would the Jews have knowingly killed their Messiah? NO WAY!

They did not accept Him as Messiah, by and large.

Peter addressed this in the 2nd chapter of Acts.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by 1399

C'mon now....

Would the Jews have knowingly killed their Messiah? NO WAY!

They did not accept Him as Messiah, by and large.

Peter addressed this in the 2nd chapter of Acts.

Right...and it says that 3000 Jews accepted Him that day.