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Old 12-16-2008, 11:12 AM
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Im only using these examples to make a point. All pastors have some line they will not cross when it comes to counseling and it varies with the pastor. My uncle has pastored the same church for 31 years and he will not counsel on personal matters.
What is a personal matter? Do we compartmentalize our spirituality into a tidy little drawer, or is it the foundation underlying ALL things: personal, financial, spiritual, interpersonal - our WHOLE being?

I'm not against secular counseling, but I think the church is sufficient enough where there is plenty of wisdom to gain by pastors and elders in our churches. There is nothing new under the sun.
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:16 AM
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What is a personal matter? Do we compartmentalize our spirituality into a tidy little drawer, or is it the foundation underlying ALL things: personal, financial, spiritual, interpersonal - our WHOLE being?

I'm not against secular counseling, but I think the church is sufficient enough where there is plenty of wisdom to gain by pastors and elders in our churches. There is nothing new under the sun.
The church is not sufficient enough...that is why I went into counseling. Preachers/pastors/elders are not all in all...some have wisdom, some have knowledge; but Christ tells us in the New Testament to pray for understanding to go with knowledge and wisdom. This is much more important.
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The church is not sufficient enough...that is why I went into counseling. Preachers/pastors/elders are not all in all...some have wisdom, some have knowledge; but Christ tells us in the New Testament to pray for understanding tp go with knowledge and wisdom. This is much more important.

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