FEAR FACTOR: Pentecostal/Apostolic Style

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I agree with that!

But I once went to a church that told me that I could not pray for people only ministers could!

Well,I now believe anyone with the holy ghost is a minster!

Lord, I've heard that. When God tells me to pray for someone, I'm on it. Sunday was a great service!!!!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by StMark

I can agree with that. I've heard many in the UPC preach this point.
I think Joy Haney always advocated this didn't she?

They (Bro & Sis Haney) were excellent at body ministry and releasing people to do so.

That is partly why I decided to go to CLC and leave where I was at-at the time.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Truth never changes,but we can grow in our understanding of Biblical truths sometimes we see where we have misunderstood something about the bible,and we can see where we where in error about something as The Holy Spirit gives illumination as we study the word.

Some people are afraid if they admit they were mistaken about something in the scripture that they were wrong about everything,which is silly because just because someone is mistaken about something doctrinal doesn't mean that they were wrong about everything doctrinal.

The bible does not change but as we grow in grace and as we rightly divide the word,
we often see things differently in light of the scripture.
As we grow in Christ we grow in our understanding as well.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

They (Bro & Sis Haney) were excellent at body ministry and releasing people to do so.

That is partly why I decided to go to CLC and leave where I was at-at the time.

This is so funny. When I first started reading her books, everything seemed so perfect I didn't enjoy them the first time around.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Mark, Mow is not talking about a new revelation in the sense of William Branham and Latter rain movement-you know better than that.

Of course I know he does not advocate someone such as WB. I was not connecting MOW to anyone like that. But Mow was not clear on what he meant by "new revelation" and I pointed out that during the history of modern Pentecost, there have been many, perhaps hundreds who have arisen and declared a new revelation or fresh word from the Lord for the existing time. How do you know it's really from God?? Branham was able to perform unbelieveable miracles and had crowds of 20,000-30,000 and was surpassing traditional pentecostals hands down at that time. I could see why people in his era who were tired of the grind of just going to church and looking for something new and fresh could fall for that not knowing that in the end, it would prove to be false

[Scott Hutchinson]

There are no new revelations as far as the bible is concerned because the bible is ancient and timeless book ,however something that is biblical based that is just revealed to someone from the scripture afresh is considered a new revelation to them because it is newly revealed to me.
There are only ancient and timeless truths newly revealed to those hungry for truth.

The Holy Ghost has to reveal truth to us because the bible is spiritual discerned.

[Scott Hutchinson]

How do we know something is from God ?
Let's see well the bible is the sole rule of faith and conduct for Christian living and polity.
Before we can make a doctrine out of something we must study all that the bible says about a subject before drawing conclusions.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by scotty

This brings up an interesting question. Considering the "revelation" examples given. These revelations are not revelations at all. They are very present in the NT church. If the NT church had it right and were living in the full power of the gospel guided by the Holy Ghost, and we are not at that level in our churches today..... then.......... would it not have been "revelations" that has taken us away from the power of the original NT church ?

Uh Oh, I hope we don't start agreeing all the time. I don't believe in new "revelations" but I do believe in new revival. There is nothing new under the sun and when people start talking about some new thing I am very cautious.

MOW, substitute revival or passion with revelation and I agree almost 100%.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by StMark

That's it!

What i see is, in past years, there was such an abuse of gifts and new revelations that many became overly cautious to the point that it was ALL word and no spirit.

Then, you have people who become hungry for more of God's presence and power and began to explore other options. in many cases, these people are so hungry they are very vulnerable and often end up worse off in the end

I have seen my share of churches split because of a PROPHECY or a prophet coming to town and saying God said such and such so I do understand the fear that people and preachers develop with all this "God is doing a new thing" stuff.

Even with all I've witnessed even first hand with this, I am STILL for prophecy and gifts. However, I believe it has to be under the confines of a good covering and establish doctrine or else it always proves to go fowl.

I think it's wrong for people to say "thus saith God"

As if any prophesy is on the same level as the word of God-

I don't care who they are, whoever is prophesying, they all see through a glass darkly and are only relaying what they are perceiving in the spirit. (of course some are better hearers than others)

No prophesy holds as much weight as the word of God and should never be treated as such.

Anyway... don't get me started.

I have had too many close friends go off the deep end because they treated a personal prophesy as a solid, fool proof, set in stone word.

A word is to encourage, comfort and exhort not make your life complicated.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

There are no new revelations as far as the bible is concerned because the bible is ancient and timeless book ,however something that is biblical based that is just revealed to someone from the scripture afresh is considered a new revelation to them because it is newly revealed to me.
There are only ancient and timeless truths newly revealed to those hungry for truth.

The Holy Ghost has to reveal truth to us because the bible is spiritual discerned.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

How do we know something is from God ?
Let's see well the bible is the sole rule of faith and conduct for Christian living and polity.
Before we can make a doctrine out of something we must study all that the bible says about a subject before drawing conclusions.

I agree Bro. Scott. I think one of the reasons Pentecostalism has so much confusion is because folks constantly want new revelations and don't search out the truth that is already available through Jesus Christ and his word.