TRANSCRIPT Of Message By HANEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Bump

Wow. No one is willing to answer. Are we looking for the answer, don't care, or know the answer and wish not to say?
Please understand I DO BELEIVE IN THE HG WITH THE EVIDENCE OF TONGUES.
I'll check back later, going to church.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Wow. No one is willing to answer. Are we looking for the answer, don't care, or know the answer and wish not to say?
Please understand I DO BELEIVE IN THE HG WITH THE EVIDENCE OF TONGUES.
I'll check back later, going to church.

The problem isn't that you have presented an unanswerable conundrum for your Oneness brethren. The problem is that your question is obviously a statement with a question mark at the end, and I can't figure out what your point really is.

Your sentence leaves me wondering what you are saying: "At the risk of being an outcast by my oneness brothers, is there scripture that states a single person receiving the HG with the evidence of tongues."

Are you making the point that only married people are said to have experienced tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost?

Here is a Scripture that directly identifies tongues as evidence that the gift of the Holy Ghost was poured out on the new Gentile believers:

(Acts 10:44-46) "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

The problem isn't that you have presented an unanswerable conundrum for your Oneness brethren. The problem is that your question is obviously a statement with a question mark at the end, and I can't figure out what your point really is.

Your sentence leaves me wondering what you are saying: "At the risk of being an outcast by my oneness brothers, is there scripture that states a single person receiving the HG with the evidence of tongues."

Are you making the point that only married people are said to have experienced tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost?

Here is a Scripture that directly identifies tongues as evidence that the gift of the Holy Ghost was poured out on the new Gentile believers:

(Acts 10:44-46) "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God."

That is what I was gonna say...was he asking if only married people get it?

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

The problem isn't that you have presented an unanswerable conundrum for your Oneness brethren. The problem is that your question is obviously a statement with a question mark at the end, and I can't figure out what your point really is.

Your sentence leaves me wondering what you are saying: "At the risk of being an outcast by my oneness brothers, is there scripture that states a single person receiving the HG with the evidence of tongues."

Are you making the point that only married people are said to have experienced tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost?

Here is a Scripture that directly identifies tongues as evidence that the gift of the Holy Ghost was poured out on the new Gentile believers:

(Acts 10:44-46) "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God."

My question is "is there scripture that states a single person receiving the HG with the evidence of tongues"? I have had this talk with several of my oneness brothers which leads to hurt feelings and leaves me on the outside because they fill I'm tring to prove something different. But I'm not. It started with about 120 and went from there.
In my search I have not been able to find scripture which gives an example of ONE person (by themself) in the Bible receiving the HG with tongues following.
There are several places in the Word which shows examples of GROUPS, HOUSEHOLDS, THEM, THEY, etc.. receiving the HG and some places it talks about speaking in tongues.
WHY not ONE person by themself. I have come to beleive that it shows there is no indifferance by God to whom receives the HG. It's not just for one person (thus NO ONE person is singled out in scripture). It is as the Word states "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call." My God is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
When we talk to people about the HG with the evidence of speaking in tongues it's hard to witness to them about tongues because their understanding of scripture is not as your's or mine. They are very smart yet their eyes are closed.

I was in no way speaking about only married people getting it. LOL

I have been asked the very question I ask before when witnessing. Show me ONE person by themself who received the HG with tongues? I can not. If there is I would like to know to help me next time.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

My question is "is there scripture that states a single person receiving the HG with the evidence of tongues"? I have had this talk with several of my oneness brothers which leads to hurt feelings and leaves me on the outside because they fill I'm tring to prove something different. But I'm not. It started with about 120 and went from there.
In my search I have not been able to find scripture which gives an example of ONE person (by themself) in the Bible receiving the HG with tongues following.
There are several places in the Word which shows examples of GROUPS, HOUSEHOLDS, THEM, THEY, etc.. receiving the HG and some places it talks about speaking in tongues.
WHY not ONE person by themself. I have come to beleive that it shows there is no indifferance by God to whom receives the HG. It's not just for one person (thus NO ONE person is singled out in scripture). It is as the Word states "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call." My God is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
When we talk to people about the HG with the evidence of speaking in tongues it's hard to witness to them about tongues because their understanding of scripture is not as your's or mine. They are very smart yet their eyes are closed.

I was in no way speaking about only married people getting it. LOL

I have been asked the very question I ask before when witnessing. Show me ONE person by themself who received the HG with tongues? I can not. If there is I would like to know to help me next time.

Interesting thought ... I'm sure the cessassionists have a theory on this ...

Don't make much of it however.

I will note that we do not find evidence of tongues in the individual conversions of the eunuch or Paul.



Acts 8:

34The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?" 35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. 36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"[f] 38And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

Acts 9

17And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

In Acts 9 we can infer that Paul was filled but cannot assume there was tongues.

Also I don't know if we can say that it was 120 that received the Holy Ghost in Acts 2 ...There seems to be delineation between chapters 1 and 2. Nor is there evidence of tongues from the 3000 that were added to the church on the Day of Pentecost.

41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

There also appears to be a gap in time between the conversion of the Samarians and them being filled with the Holy Ghost ... and there is no clear evidence of tongues in Acts 8 either ... just prooftexting and speculations from biblical silence.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Interesting thought ... I'm sure the cessassionists have a theory on this ...

Don't make much of it however.

I will note that we do not find evidence of tongues in the individual conversions of the eunuch or Paul.

In Paul's case we do have evidence that he spoke in tongues subsequent to his conversion. We must either place him in one of the group baptisms or conclude that he received a "single" experience of the Spirit.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

I really don’t understand the thrust of the argument that you are encountering. A group is simply a collection of individuals, unless they are asserting that being part of a particular group entitles you to the blessing of the Holy Spirit, without consideration of the condition of the individual’s heart.

It's not an argument, I just can not find in the scripture where it reads, one person alone received the HG with evidence of speaking in tongues. I do read several palces where there are groups of people receiving the HG with tongues.

Originally Posted by Stephanas

In Paul's case we do have evidence that he spoke in tongues subsequent to his conversion. We must either place him in one of the group baptisms or conclude that he received a "single" experience of the Spirit.

As you noted above in the post in red, please state scripture. I may have over looked it.
I did find these scriptures speaking about Saul/Paul and the HG, but nothing about him alone speaking in tongues.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

or

Acts 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

I also read in 1 Cor where Paul is talking about tongues and interp.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

In Paul's case we do have evidence that he spoke in tongues subsequent to his conversion. We must either place him in one of the group baptisms or conclude that he received a "single" experience of the Spirit.

Not sure if I'm understaning you correctly on this, but... Are you referring to something like this?:

I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; (1 Cor 14:18)

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

In Paul's case we do have evidence that he spoke in tongues subsequent to his conversion. We must either place him in one of the group baptisms or conclude that he received a "single" experience of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Not sure if I'm understaning you correctly on this, but... Are you referring to something like this?:

I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; (1 Cor 14:18)

TRFrance, correct me if I'm wrong, but dosen't 1 Cor. 14:18 deal with the use of the gift of tongues and not the evidence of tongues when a person receives the HG.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

My question is "is there scripture that states a single person receiving the HG with the evidence of tongues"? I have had this talk with several of my oneness brothers which leads to hurt feelings and leaves me on the outside because they fill I'm tring to prove something different. But I'm not. It started with about 120 and went from there.
In my search I have not been able to find scripture which gives an example of ONE person (by themself) in the Bible receiving the HG with tongues following.
There are several places in the Word which shows examples of GROUPS, HOUSEHOLDS, THEM, THEY, etc.. receiving the HG and some places it talks about speaking in tongues.
WHY not ONE person by themself. I have come to beleive that it shows there is no indifferance by God to whom receives the HG. It's not just for one person (thus NO ONE person is singled out in scripture). It is as the Word states "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call." My God is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
When we talk to people about the HG with the evidence of speaking in tongues it's hard to witness to them about tongues because their understanding of scripture is not as your's or mine. They are very smart yet their eyes are closed.

I was in no way speaking about only married people getting it. LOL

I have been asked the very question I ask before when witnessing. Show me ONE person by themself who received the HG with tongues? I can not. If there is I would like to know to help me next time.

I really don’t understand the thrust of the argument that you are encountering. A group is simply a collection of individuals, unless they are asserting that being part of a particular group entitles you to the blessing of the Holy Spirit, without consideration of the condition of the individual’s heart.