Will you join the UPC NOW ????

[scotty]

Originally Posted by CareyM

No. I don't think I could ever go back to the UPC no matter how many "rules" they changed and I'm not talking about "standards" either. My biggest problem with the UPC and the major reasons we left is the control from the leadership, the God-like status of the Pastor, and the fear they instill or brainwash people with. I don't believe these things will ever change in the UPC. I'd like to make note, that maybe these things are isolated to Oregon, but we also saw the same thing in Illinois last year.

Yes, I am afraid they are. Sorry you fell into the wrong pockets. But me and freeatlast would love to have you, just as you are.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by scotty

Yes, I am afraid they are. Sorry you fell into the wrong pockets. But me and freeatlast would love to have you, just as you are.

I see you're from Arkansas...too bad, the commute would kill us!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by CareyM

I see you're from Arkansas...too bad, the commute would kill us!

Move then, sounds like Oregan has problems..

So were ya'll publicly ostracized ? Excommunicated ? Called out before the masses ?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by scotty

Move then, sounds like Oregan has problems..

So were ya'll publicly ostracized ? Excommunicated ? Called out before the masses ?

If you only knew 1/4 of their story, you'd cry!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

If you only knew 1/4 of their story, you'd cry!

Probably so MOW, I was just curious, not calling them out.

In as much as others want people to see the bad side of UPC churches, I want to show people the good side. And no, its not the org I am defending, its the people. I think thats where others get confused, the org is not a "thing", it is people, God fearing, salvation seeking people. And we do have a heart, we do care and in despite what others have done, we hurt to hear the stories. But we also hurt to be included in the fray.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by scotty

Probably so MOW, I was just curious, not calling them out.

In as much as others want people to see the bad side of UPC churches, I want to show people the good side. And no, its not the org I am defending, its the people. I think thats where others get confused, the org is not a "thing", it is people, God fearing, salvation seeking people. And we do have a heart, we do care and in despite what others have done, we hurt to hear the stories. But we also hurt to be included in the fray.

So true! But the org represents a body of ideas and philosophies as a whole. That is the problem. I don't know if it can ever shake that. There are some mighty fine Christian leaders in it whom I respect highly. However, most people outside the UPC don't get warm fuzzies from its reputation. That is just the reality. I hope it changes and I know some are trying really hard, but again, the odds are against it happening.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

So true! But the org represents a body of ideas and philosophies as a whole. That is the problem. I don't know if it can ever shake that. There are some mighty fine Christian leaders in it whom I respect highly. However, most people outside the UPC don't get warm fuzzies from its reputation. That is just the reality. I hope it changes and I know some are trying really hard, but again, the odds are against it happening.

True, I realize this and your right on.... and you said what I am wanting to say to everyone... hold on to the mighty fine Christian leaders and let the reputation go. And we are trying really hard, and I tell myself that no matter what some here say, that behind closed doors they are really praying for the success of us who are leading the way..

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

In as much as others want people to see the bad side of UPC churches, I want to show people the good side. And no, its not the org I am defending, its the people. I think that's where others get confused, the org is not a "thing", it is people, God fearing, salvation seeking people. And we do have a heart, we do care and in despite what others have done, we hurt to hear the stories. But we also hurt to be included in the fray.

This is how I feel, Scotty!

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

If you only knew 1/4 of their story, you'd cry!

We did try moving, didn't we MOW! Your visit to our home was something we'll never forget, the love you showed to us...and you actually believed us! Blessings!

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by scotty

Move then, sounds like Oregan has problems..

So were ya'll publicly ostracized ? Excommunicated ? Called out before the masses ?

We already tried Illinois, our experience there was worse...we were told that these problems were isolated to Oregon, not so. We are staying put!