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Old 01-06-2009, 01:31 AM
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I have the Book Of Enoch on my computer. I have heard that the Book of Jasher is out there... but I haven't looked at it yet.

I think that these books are of great interest.
You mean this?

http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.html
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:12 AM
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That's the one. I will have to read over it.

The books that I find most compelling to look into are books that are quoted by canonical writers.

If a canonical author quotes a book then that gives me enough interest to look into what it has to say.

There has to have been some level of faith put into their writings for their works to have been included in the Bible and their quotation of these books gives me reason to look into the others.

The Book Of Enoch was quoted by Jude and Jasher was quoted by Joshua & 2 Samuel
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:35 AM
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That's the one. I will have to read over it.

The books that I find most compelling to look into are books that are quoted by canonical writers.

If a canonical author quotes a book then that gives me enough interest to look into what it has to say.

There has to have been some level of faith put into their writings for their works to have been included in the Bible and their quotation of these books gives me reason to look into the others.

The Book Of Enoch was quoted by Jude and Jasher was quoted by Joshua & 2 Samuel
And (likely) other NT writers, though not by name. And Jude ascribes some authority to it, calling it prophecy:

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Probably not a good candidate for canon, though. It wasn't really written by Enoch nor during his time. Less that 300 years before Christ, it seems. And, well,.... about those 3000-cubit tall giants. Hmmm. (Does that raise some question about the book of Jude?)
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And (likely) other NT writers, though not by name. And Jude ascribes some authority to it, calling it prophecy:

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Probably not a good candidate for canon, though. It wasn't really written by Enoch nor during his time. Less that 300 years before Christ, it seems. And, well,.... about those 3000-cubit tall giants. Hmmm. (Does that raise some question about the book of Jude?)
One would probably have the exact same thing to say about Revelation had it not already been in the canon.

People would roll their eyes at all of the fantastic imagery.
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One would probably have the exact same thing to say about Revelation had it not already been in the canon.

People would roll their eyes at all of the fantastic imagery.
OK, then canonize it if you want to!
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OK, then canonize it if you want to!
It doesn't have to be canonized before I'll read it.

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And (likely) other NT writers, though not by name. And Jude ascribes some authority to it, calling it prophecy:

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Probably not a good candidate for canon, though. It wasn't really written by Enoch nor during his time. Less that 300 years before Christ, it seems. And, well,.... about those 3000-cubit tall giants. Hmmm. (Does that raise some question about the book of Jude?)
1 Corinthians wasn't really written by Paul - but they let that one in. Jeremiah was written by Baruch. The "Books of Moses" are really more about Moses than a compilation of his writings. In fact, in many places we find obvious references that cause us to believe that Moses could not have written the bulk of the work.

It seems parts of the Book of Enoch were endorsed by Jude and Peter just as other non-canonical works are cited elsewhere in the Bible (the Book of Jasher, the Book of the Wars of the Lord, etc).

Arguing against the claims of Fundamentalism isn't really an argument against the inspiration of the Bible.
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1 Corinthians wasn't really written by Paul . . .
Really? It says it's by Paul, right there in the infallible, inspired verse 1 Cor 1:1.
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Really? It says it's by Paul, right there in the infallible, inspired verse 1 Cor 1:1.
Verse 1 introduces the speaker.

The postscript reads: 1Co 16:24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. <The first epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.>
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Verse 1 introduces the speaker.

The postscript reads: 1Co 16:24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. <The first epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.>
Did Paul dictate the letter to these four men?
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