Name or Person?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think that while God is omnipresent, there is a particular presence of God that can exist in places. I believe that is what is meant by the passages you cite. Like Nahkoe points out, the "name" wasn't just having God hang his shingle outside a particular building. He was there in a way that was distinct from His presence being simultaneously elsewhere.

Im not sure you all are getting the point so let me rephrase. God "being there" in the temple was expressed by saying His name would be there. This must be an idiomatic way of saying something to that effect as evidenced by the other two verses shown.

The point wasn't "Gee, God made his home there" lol...the point was the use of "name" was an idiomatic expressive way of saying "the number of people present" or even "God was personally present"....

Again, see how the word name is used in the other two examples

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im not sure you all are getting the point so let me rephrase. God "being there" in the temple was expressed by saying His name would be there. This must be an idiomatic way of saying something to that effect as evidenced by the other two verses shown.

The point wasn't "Gee, God made his home there" lol...the point was the use of "name" was an idiomatic expressive way of saying "the number of people present" or even "God was personally present"....

Again, see how the word name is used in the other two examples

Because "name" is used for everything that you think of when you think of a person. Did you read what I referred to?

It's not idiomatic, it's just the Hebraic way of thinking.

Here's what I was referring to if it's easier.

By a usage chiefly Hebraistic the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is roused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds, etc.

There's more...but you can go read it for yourself. lol

Name isn't just like Henry, George, Anna. It's everything about that person that comes to your mind when you hear their name.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

God "being there" in the temple was expressed by saying His name would be there. This must be an idiomatic way of saying something to that effect as evidenced by the other two verses shown.

The point wasn't "Gee, God made his home there" lol...the point was the use of "name" was an idiomatic expressive way of saying "the number of people present" or even "God was personally present"....

Ok, re-reading this...you're saying what I'm saying, I think. Using "name" in Hebrew means everything about that person that comes to mind. So by saying His name would be there, they meant everything about Him would be there. His power, His presence, His authority....etc.

Gesenius' lexicon says this about name.

Name. Specially a celebrated name, fame. Glory. A good name, good reputation. Fame after death, memory. So in the phrases, to destroy, to blot out the name of any person or thing, i.e. to blot out (a people, a city), that even the name and memory may perish from posterity. A monument, by which any one's memory is preserved. The celebrated name of God, the estimation of men concerning God; in the phrase for his name's sake, as his name would lead one to expect. Hence, the glory of God; for my name's sake, lest the glory of the divine name should suffer. To put his name (in any place), i.e. there to fix his abode.

Again, you can read it here if you want to catch the parts I did leave out. I caught the ones I thought were relevant here though.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H8034&t=KJV

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Because "name" is used for everything that you think of when you think of a person. Did you read what I referred to?

It's not idiomatic, it's just the Hebraic way of thinking.

Wouldn't THAT then make it an idiom? BTW did you read the specific verses I posted where in fact it WAS used as a sort of idiom for "person"?

Here's what I was referring to if it's easier.

By a usage chiefly Hebraistic the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is roused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds, etc.

There's more...but you can go read it for yourself. lol

What is your point though? Is this in support of what I posted or against? If against how do you explain those two verses?

Name isn't just like Henry, George, Anna. It's everything about that person that comes to your mind when you hear their name.

Yeeeeesssssss.

Ok, re-reading this...you're saying what I'm saying, I think. Using "name" in Hebrew means everything about that person that comes to mind. So by saying His name would be there, they meant everything about Him would be there. His power, His presence, His authority....etc.

Ding Ding Ding! Ah the light turned on

Gesenius' lexicon says this about name.

Name. Specially a celebrated name, fame. Glory. A good name, good reputation. Fame after death, memory. So in the phrases, to destroy, to blot out the name of any person or thing, i.e. to blot out (a people, a city), that even the name and memory may perish from posterity. A monument, by which any one's memory is preserved. The celebrated name of God, the estimation of men concerning God; in the phrase for his name's sake, as his name would lead one to expect. Hence, the glory of God; for my name's sake, lest the glory of the divine name should suffer. To put his name (in any place), i.e. there to fix his abode.

Again, you can read it here if you want to catch the parts I did leave out. I caught the ones I thought were relevant here though.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H8034&t=KJV

In the way it is worded in some of the verses, like what I quoted, it seems to be more than just a memorial. It was used synonymously with His being there present. However he still makes the same point that "there to fix his abode"....

Does not he write his name on us too? Or are we called by His name and yet we know our bodies or His temple...interesting!

[Praxeas]

If name can imple person, then I wonder how that might fit theologically in light of the Trinity and Oneness

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wouldn't THAT then make it an idiom? BTW did you read the specific verses I posted where in fact it WAS used as a sort of idiom for "person"?

I did.

I just did some digging, apparently this site considers it to be an idiom, at least sometimes. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/24_idioms.html

I suppose it is, in a way. But it's just what the word means.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What is your point though? Is this in support of what I posted or against? If against how do you explain those two verses?

For.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In the way it is worded in some of the verses, like what I quoted, it seems to be more than just a memorial. It was used synonymously with His being there present. However he still makes the same point that "there to fix his abode"....

Exactly. If your name is in a place, you are.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Does not he write his name on us too? Or are we called by His name and yet we know our bodies or His temple...interesting!

I have 9 kids in my apartment tonight. lol I'll try to remember I have something I want to think about later.