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Old 01-22-2009, 05:06 PM
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IF she is a racist she is an equal opportunity racist who hates all races but whites..Does that make sense?

I read some stuff. She sounds like a conservatie. And by conservative I mean fiscally, socially...everything...freedom of speech.

There are people that will label you a racist if you think we need better border security.

She sounds like a "Nationalist" more than a "racist"
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:49 PM
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IF she is a racist she is an equal opportunity racist who hates all races but whites..Does that make sense?
Actually, Prax, you're not making a lot of sense here.

Are you serious? There are a lot of people who dislike other races apart from whites or whatever race/races they prefer.

3 examples from my personal experience/interactions:

I personally heard a remark made by a hispanic man, who clearly did not like blacks, although he has no problem with with whites people.

I also had a former co-worker who's black, and is married to an Asian woman but he's stated plainly he does not like white people.

I also know of a young white man who said he's ok with all other races, but dislikes the Indian people who live in his town.

Some people are prejudiced toward some races, but not all. Did you not know that?

I dont know where you live, but I've spent most of my life in New York City, probably the most racially diverse city in America, so I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to this stuff.

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I read some stuff. She sounds like a conservatie. And by conservative I mean fiscally, socially...everything...freedom of speech.

There are people that will label you a racist if you think we need better border security.

She sounds like a "Nationalist" more than a "racist"
I dont know why you feel the need to defend Malkin, and try to convince me that she's not really a racist.

Call her whatever you want.
I know what I call people like her.

I'm also smart enough that many conservatives, whether they be writers, or talk show hosts, know that being outwardly, blatantly racist does not play well in today's society. But when you listen to enough of their "conservative", "nationalistic" talk long enough, it's not hard to figure out where they're coming from, or what audience they're trying to appeal to with some of the things they're saying.

There are a lot of conservatives I've been listeing to and reading for years now (like Hannity, Ingram, Levin, Sullivan, Novak etc) who I dontconsider racist at all, and they dontsay the kind of the racially inflammatory things Malkin's been known to say. I know what race-baiting is. I've heard and read enough of her stuff long enough to know what I'm talking about.

If you want to call her a "nationalist", fine. Suit yourself, Prax.

But I've found that most of the time, if it smells like a rat, its a rat.
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Old 01-22-2009, 06:31 PM
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Actually, Prax, you're not making a lot of sense here.

Are you serious? There are a lot of people who dislike other races apart from whites or whatever race/races they prefer.

3 examples from my personal experience/interactions:

I personally heard a remark made by a hispanic man, who clearly did not like blacks, although he has no problem with with whites people.

I also had a former co-worker who's black, and is married to an Asian woman but he's stated plainly he does not like white people.

I also know of a young white man who said he's ok with all other races, but dislikes the Indian people who live in his town.
A racist is someone that views all other races as inferior but their own. And in this case, since i was to google her and the word "racist" I discovered she even hates asians...being a filipina that is odd

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Some people are prejudiced toward some races, but not all. Did you not know that?
Is that racism? Anyways, the point was, from what I have read, she hates all races but whites....sounds like someone is trying to distort her conservative view to me

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I dont know where you live, but I've spent most of my life in New York City, probably the most racially diverse city in America, so I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to this stuff.
You can explain to me later how that is relevant. I live in Southern California. We have little TJ, little Manila, little China town and a host of others. In short. I am up to my white ears in non-whites...unless you consider light skinned Mexicans whites. Not sure if that Qualifies me for something but I noticed it always becomes part of someone's argument around here so I thought I would toss that in. This city is mostly Hispanic. My schools when I was a kid were mostly Hispanic. Lots of Asians. Handfuls of blacks. Pretty Diversified


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I dont know why you feel the need to defend Malkin, and try to convince me that she's not really a racist.
Why would you assume that what I posted was a need or a feeling? I did what you asked. I googled her name and racism...I found out she even hates asians...which she happens to be. Very odd. I don't know why you feel the need to vilify her and try to convince me she really is a racist.

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Call her whatever you want.
I know what I call people like her.
And I would be willing to bet she would defend you right to your opinion too :-)

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I'm also smart enough that many conservatives, whether they be writers, or talk show hosts, know that being outwardly, blatantly racist does not play well in today's society.
Can you give us an example of her blatent racism?


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But when you listen to enough of their "conservative", "nationalistic" talk long enough, it's not hard to figure out where they're coming from, or what audience they're trying to appeal to with some of the things they're saying.
Americans? No wait..whites? So.....this filipina hates asians too? Odd bed fellows but I suppose it is possible. Me though? Im not going to condemn her based on hearsay. If you want to, go ahead and post some stuff by her that is blatently racist.

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There are a lot of conservatives I've been listeing to and reading for years now (like Hannity, Ingram, Levin, Sullivan, Novak etc) who I dontconsider racist at all, and they dontsay the kind of the racially inflammatory things Malkin's been known to say. I know what race-baiting is. I've heard and read enough of her stuff long enough to know what I'm talking about.
And you are welcome to quote her so the rest of us can see your point, rather than hear your opinion. I welcome it!

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If you want to call her a "nationalist", fine. Suit yourself, Prax.
She IS a nationalist. She might also be a racist too.

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But I've found that most of the time, if it smells like a rat, its a rat.
So far all I have seen is someone else saying she is a racist.
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Old 01-22-2009, 07:01 PM
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A racist is someone that views all other races as inferior but their own. And in this case, since i was to google her and the word "racist" I discovered she even hates asians...being a filipina that is odd


Is that racism? Anyways, the point was, from what I have read, she hates all races but whites....sounds like someone is trying to distort her conservative view to me


You can explain to me later how that is relevant. I live in Southern California. We have little TJ, little Manila, little China town and a host of others. In short. I am up to my white ears in non-whites...unless you consider light skinned Mexicans whites. Not sure if that Qualifies me for something but I noticed it always becomes part of someone's argument around here so I thought I would toss that in. This city is mostly Hispanic. My schools when I was a kid were mostly Hispanic. Lots of Asians. Handfuls of blacks. Pretty Diversified



Why would you assume that what I posted was a need or a feeling? I did what you asked. I googled her name and racism...I found out she even hates asians...which she happens to be. Very odd. I don't know why you feel the need to vilify her and try to convince me she really is a racist.


And I would be willing to bet she would defend you right to your opinion too :-)


Can you give us an example of her blatent racism?



Americans? No wait..whites? So.....this filipina hates asians too? Odd bed fellows but I suppose it is possible. Me though? Im not going to condemn her based on hearsay. If you want to, go ahead and post some stuff by her that is blatently racist.


And you are welcome to quote her so the rest of us can see your point, rather than hear your opinion. I welcome it!


She IS a nationalist. She might also be a racist too.


So far all I have seen is someone else saying she is a racist.
This post so misses the point on so many levels, that it's not worth me investing much more of my time getting into all this.

My original stated opinion was that I considered her to be borderline racist, at least.
You and Pel asked why I had that opinion, and I gave some reasons why -- not to try to convince you of anything, but just to somewhat explain why I had formed that opinion.

However, much of the resulting discussion has become extraneous and irrelevant.

I think it's fair to say I've probably read more of her stuff and heard more of her interviews than most of us on this thread, so I think my opinion is based on a seeing patterns in a lot of her material, not a conclusion reached by browsing a site or some articles for a few minutes.

Since it's an opinion which I'm entitled to, I really have nothing to prove, and feel no need to "win" the discussion/argument, nor is there a need for me to further justify/explain my opinion to anyone.

At this point, my OPINION remains my opinion.
And yours remains yours.

So you have a good night, sir.
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Old 01-22-2009, 07:52 PM
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This post so misses the point on so many levels, that it's not worth me investing much more of my time getting into all this.

My original stated opinion was that I considered her to be borderline racist, at least.
You and Pel asked why I had that opinion, and I gave some reasons why -- not to try to convince you of anything, but just to somewhat explain why I had formed that opinion.

However, much of the resulting discussion has become extraneous and irrelevant.

I think it's fair to say I've probably read more of her stuff and heard more of her interviews than most of us on this thread, so I think my opinion is based on a seeing patterns in a lot of her material, not a conclusion reached by browsing a site or some articles for a few minutes.

Since it's an opinion which I'm entitled to, I really have nothing to prove, and feel no need to "win" the discussion/argument, nor is there a need for me to further justify/explain my opinion to anyone.

At this point, my OPINION remains my opinion.
And yours remains yours.

So you have a good night, sir.
and I agreed you are entitled to it and I also agreed to look at whatever you can present from her so that I might see why you have that opinion.. I didn't put my words in a "if you want to win" way...maybe you just did not read what I posted....

My opinion? I don't know enough to have one of her. That was why I asked you.
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IF she is a racist she is an equal opportunity racist who hates all races but whites..Does that make sense?
It does not make sense, but I have met folks who think that way.
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It does not make sense, but I have met folks who think that way.
I think people confuse "anti-multiculturalism" with racism or Nationalism with racism
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I think people confuse "anti-multiculturalism" with racism or Nationalism with racism
I have been called racist (more than a couple of times) because of my strong anti illegal immigrant views.

My brother (the Preacher) and I were talking and I told him about this vision I had of the "false church", who's god was diversity.
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