Harrassed & Detained For Carrying Cash @ Airport

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by tstew

This is crazy. Airports are a very sensitive place right now in our country. To think that one would be unwilling to answer questions, be evasive and uncooperative, and not expect any trouble is crazy to me. There are times when they do random screenings and individuals are pulled out and given extra attention without the presence of any suspicious activity. Here a man was looking for a conflict, did what he needed to produce it, then has the nerve to act surprised that it happened.

On a related note, I hope that some of what is being said here is either TIC or by people who are playing fake characters. If not, the level of condescension and snobbery in some people is off-putting and un-Christlike. It has been my experience that most people who project in this way actually are playing a role and are not what they claim to be. Once again, I hope this is TIC. I personally applaud and appreciate everybody who gets up everyday and works anywhere, whether it be at an airport, on a railroad, at McDonald's, or anywhere else. Those jobs are needed and I am thankful that those people get up and go to work and are not like te ones who lay around and live off of others.

You are awesome, Stew - as always!! Good post!

Frankly, I think he should have abided by these rules, even if it's a suggestion. He's going through x-ray, he might as well report it.

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency, coins or jewelry, we recommend that you ask Security Officers to screen you and your carry-on luggage in private. This will maintain your security and avoid public scrutiny.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1847.shtm

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie...love ya bro. As a brother, I'm going to ask that you stop making this so personal. Please try to avoid personal insults or trying to insinuate something insulting.

Are you a preacher?

Just for your help. You aren't one of these SIDA folks yet and really don't speak as their agent either.
The vulgarity they used suits you and not any rational employer. That may be way you want to try out for this work.

I think militia groups and domestic terror cells need review this and take notes

TSA agent is a high stress job. I doubt you could handle it. I know one of those cats, I'd not want to do it.

don’t know how old you are Coadie…but you’re getting your panties in a bunch over the little stuff. I can hear Coadie now, “But they cussed at me! Waaaa” ROLF. Give me a break.

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I think you’re just an angry little man with an axe to grind.

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Okay...he's an angry little axe with a man to grind. LOL

One thing I have learned. people that work for a government monopoly, do not get taught manners or customer relation skills. Just like in the tape, they cuss and threaten because they can. In real business jobs, customers go elswhere,
At an airport, there are many airlines that hussle and do the best they can. Not so with brown shirts. They caouldn't care about service because they make their check if you miss a flight or not.

The best Accounting grads go with the top accounting firms. The ones no one wants end up at the IRS and try to get their revenge on the winners that got the top jobs. Same in law. The top tallent goes to the top law schools and law firms. The next level the same.
On down to the bottom.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by tstew

This is crazy. Airports are a very sensitive place right now in our country. To think that one would be unwilling to answer questions, be evasive and uncooperative, and not expect any trouble is crazy to me. There are times when they do random screenings and individuals are pulled out and given extra attention without the presence of any suspicious activity. Here a man was looking for a conflict, did what he needed to produce it, then has the nerve to act surprised that it happened.

On a related note, I hope that some of what is being said here is either TIC or by people who are playing fake characters. If not, the level of condescension and snobbery in some people is off-putting and un-Christlike. It has been my experience that most people who project in this way actually are playing a role and are not what they claim to be. Once again, I hope this is TIC. I personally applaud and appreciate everybody who gets up everyday and works anywhere, whether it be at an airport, on a railroad, at McDonald's, or anywhere else. Those jobs are needed and I am thankful that those people get up and go to work and are not like te ones who lay around and live off of others.

Liquids, weapons, ammo, explosives etc are what they are paid to keep off the plane. Hassling a passenger with Ron Paul bumper stickers and money including an bunch of literature was what the Missouri memo ordered. Then it iwas exposed and the gov of Missouri denied it. a couple weeks later they still went after a Ron Paul advocate.

The passenger asked under what authority he needed to know something and he started threatening.

Joel Osteens wife was attacked by an airline employee in court. As a rule the airlines are extremely sensitive to courtesy.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by coadie

Liquids, weapons, ammo, explosives etc are what they are paid to keep off the plane. Hassling a passenger with Ron Paul bumper stickers and money including an bunch of literature was what the Missouri memo ordered. Then it iwas exposed and the gov of Missouri denied it. a couple weeks later they still went after a Ron Paul advocate.

The passenger asked under what authority he needed to know something and he started threatening.

Joel Osteens wife was attacked by an airline employee in court. As a rule the airlines are extremely sensitive to courtesy.

Large amounts of cash at airports are in fact another specific tell that is frequently linked to illegal activity. I doubt the Ron Paul literature was the issue. If he had answered the few questions that would typically be asked in this situation, he would have been on his way...Ron Paul bumper stickers nothwithstanding.

Overall, airports are a unique place at this time and I do not see what happens at airports as a harbinger of things to come on the streets. I do not view it as a violation of my Constitutional rights everytime I have to take my shoes off, nor am I concerned that the day will come when I'll be forced to take my shoes off when walking around town. The security concerns and practices at an airport are different.
I would also expect things to be different when driving into Mexico, for example, than when I'm driving around town. There are just sometimes different sets of concerns in different situations. If border patrol guys get somebody with a large amount of cash that they feel constitutionally un-obligated to discuss, there may be some delay.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think it's a grey area. If a person is carrying $9,999.00 should security be forbidden to ask him any questions about it? I think if the agent feels it's suspect the agent has a right to ask. If the person gets defensive, well...that's additional suspecious behavior. If this guy would have said, "Oh, I just sold some books and CDs at a convention a couple hours ago." I think that the agent would have most likely let him through.

Right and hopefully he has his receipt book with the money.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I would like to point out that Fleming, in this document, does consider money as contraband. The use of the $10,000 is set out as an example and thus lends the idea that it could be any amount that they deem necessary, in their opinion, to be suspect.

You spoke with him about this and he shared this further definition with you?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

You spoke with him about this and he shared this further definition with you?

That is my impression.

I'm not going to argue about it anymore, Digging. I see your point and I also see Stew's. Even though I agree more with Stew, on this particular subject, I still believe some of what you are saying is correct also.

That's it!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is my impression.

I'm not going to argue about it anymore, Digging. I see your point and I also see Stew's. Even though I agree more with Stew, on this particular subject, I still believe some of what you are saying is correct also.

That's it!

So if we showed you some currency, you would be able to tell what part of it was contraband? Would one of the Officials be able to identify which was contraband and which was not?

Or is it all contraband?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by tstew

Large amounts of cash at airports are in fact another specific tell that is frequently linked to illegal activity.

Which is why the law stipulates that you must declare an amount more than $9,999.00. He did not possess that amount and was free to pass without declaring it.

Had he possessed $10k and tried to get through then there would have been trouble.

Originally Posted by tstew

If he had answered the few questions that would typically be asked in this situation, he would have been on his way

He said he would be happy to answer the question if he is legally required to do so. He asked them that question many times and they refused to answer it for him.

Had they answered his question they would have been on their way.

Originally Posted by tstew

Overall, airports are a unique place at this time and I do not see what happens at airports as a harbinger of things to come on the streets. I do not view it as a violation of my Constitutional rights every time I have to take my shoes off, nor am I concerned that the day will come when I'll be forced to take my shoes off when walking around town. The security concerns and practices at an airport are different.
I would also expect things to be different when driving into Mexico, for example, than when I'm driving around town. There are just sometimes different sets of concerns in different situations.

Now would Steve. Had they asked him to take his shoes off he would have. He went everywhere they asked him to.

He simply asked, with constant refusals to answer, is he legally required to answer the question and they continually refused to answer his question.

If border patrol guys get somebody with a large amount of cash that they feel constitutionally un-obligated to discuss, there may be some delay.

Hopefully border patrol knows that a person with $10k or more has to declare that money before crossing the border... either direction. But a person with $9500 is free to go and carry that cash.

That is the law and both the person carrying the money and the officers who might find said money are duty bound to obey it.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Which is why the law stipulates that you must declare an amount more than $9,999.00. He did not possess that amount and was free to pass without declaring it.

Had he possessed $10k and tried to get through then there would have been trouble.



He said he would be happy to answer the question if he is legally required to do so. He asked them that question many times and they refused to answer it for him.

Had they answered his question they would have been on their way.




Now would Steve. Had they asked him to take his shoes off he would have. He went everywhere they asked him to.

He simply asked, with constant refusals to answer, is he legally required to answer the question and they continually refused to answer his question.



Hopefully border patrol knows that a person with $10k or more has to declare that money before crossing the border... either direction. But a person with $9500 is free to go and carry that cash.

That is the law and both the person carrying the money and the officers who might find said money are duty bound to obey it.

I understand the specific legal requirement to declare $10,000. I don't believe that that means that you cannot be asked simple questions about large amounts of cash less than that. You may not have to go through the procedure of declaring the money and filling out the paperwork, but I think it is ridiculous to not be cooperative. The mere fact that there is a law specifically concerning large amounts of cash at airports in particular show there is a distinct law enforcement concern. At this time in our country and in the environment in airports, it is ridiculous to not simply cooperate and allow them to move on to other distinct law enforcement concerns.