You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You are correct and I do NOT rejoice in the fact but honestly am sadden by it I do think they have a zeal and a love for God but there error is heresy. I pray they recover themselves.

Dear Elder Epley, how can you say anyone should believe what you believe, when you yourself cannot even provide scriptures that prove what you believe is in the Bible?

I've said for years that if you would give just six scriptures that actually say six of the main points in your position is actually in the Bible that I would do the following: "publically repent of the errors of my eschatological view, I will publically announce my conversion to Dispensationalism, and I will work to rewrite each of my studies to reflect what is actually 'biblical truth.'"

Since you have NEVER done this, how can you honestly say you are "sadden" (sic) that we remain in the "error" of our "heresey" (sic)???

Elder Epley, I have record of posts you’ve made that go all the way back to FCF. Even back then you were making excuses for why you could not answer these same questions. It has ALWAYS been that way. You claim theses are “the Truth,” and yet you cannot offer any scriptures that literally say so.

Elder Epley, since you condemn any pre-written response, which means you should not need your “stored studies,” please give six scriptures that literally say the six following points in your eschatology position is found in the Bible:

1. God delayed His Kingdom because the Jews rejected Jesus.

2. There is a gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

3. There will be a secret pre-tribulation rapture of the Church.

4. God will require the building of a physical third Jewish Temple.

5. An Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant with the Jews.

6. There will be a future 7-year tribulation period.

I recently dealt with these same six issues and your NEW excuses for not answering them HERE.

Elder Epley, if you truly want to help correct the men and women who are AFP, PLEASE teach us “the Truth.” SHOW us what you believe is in fact in the Bible. No more excuses. You’ve done that for over six years. The time has come…TEACH US!

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume when you cut certain anchors no one knows how far the ship drift. I hope you don't drift too far if you have not already. I invite you to come back home.

home to what? What you believe? You have not even shown us that what you believe is even in the Bible.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Dear Elder Epley, how can you say anyone should believe what you believe, when you yourself cannot even provide scriptures that prove what you believe is in the Bible?

I've said for years that if you would give just six scriptures that actually say six of the main points in your position is actually in the Bible that I would do the following: "publically repent of the errors of my eschatological view, I will publically announce my conversion to Dispensationalism, and I will work to rewrite each of my studies to reflect what is actually 'biblical truth.'"

Since you have NEVER done this, how can you honestly say you are "sadden" (sic) that we remain in the "error" of our "heresey" (sic)???

Elder Epley, I have record of posts you’ve made that go all the way back to FCF. Even back then you were making excuses for why you could not answer these same questions. It has ALWAYS been that way. You claim theses are “the Truth,” and yet you cannot offer any scriptures that literally say so.

Elder Epley, since you condemn any pre-written response, which means you should not need your “stored studies,” please give six scriptures that literally say the six following points in your eschatology position is found in the Bible:

1. God delayed His Kingdom because the Jews rejected Jesus.

2. There is a gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

3. There will be a secret pre-tribulation rapture of the Church.

4. God will require the building of a physical third Jewish Temple.

5. An Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant with the Jews.

6. There will be a future 7-year tribulation period.

I recently dealt with these same six issues and your NEW excuses for not answering them HERE.

Elder Epley, if you truly want to help correct the men and women who are AFP, PLEASE teach us “the Truth.” SHOW us what you believe is in fact in the Bible. No more excuses. You’ve done that for over six years. The time has come…TEACH US!

They can't explain it because it's not there!

But you'd better repent and come back to the trinitarian heresy or...or...

Sounds like what the Catholic church did to Galileo when he said the earth rotated around the sun, contrary to the Catholic church doctrine. They proclaimed him as a heretic and ordered house arrest. It was not until the 1900's that the Catholic church apologized for their "Mistake".

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

At least being heretics we are in good company!

I wonder how many Judaizers were waiting for Paul to "repent and come back"?

TJJJ

[PocatelloApostolic]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Maybe in Pocatello Idaho.




In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Yes, in Pocatello & Filer & Twin Falls & Ogden, UT & Rialto, CA & Post Falls, ID &............ The Question I want answered is: Do you believe that the Holy Ghost outpouring is over? After Paul said that," When that which is perfect is "COME", then that which is in part SHALL BE done away!" Give me a straight answer!!

[PocatelloApostolic]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Firstly, I'm not a "Doc" and I'm certainly not your "honey." HEEHEE (I DIDN'T MEAN YOU PERSONALLY!!)

Secondly, I did not say it was MY belief, I was respectfully asking you about yours. So the question of me being a Jehovah Witness or Mormon is insubstantial.

Thirdly, the Bible explains the gospel plan of salvation as being Acts 2:38. For you to claim, after YOUR supposed departure of the church and the Holy Ghost, that a person can be saved by "a personal decision to accept or reject that opportunity," is without any biblical support. Would you please explain how your statement is not equivalent to you teaching there will be another gospel? I would ask you to give the scriptures that teach what you're claiming, but I already know they are nowhere to be found. Your claim requires there be another gospel. Such a notion was adamantly opposed by the Apostles.

It never ceases to amaze me how you Futurists come up with ideas that are so opposite what’s found in the Bible!

PocatelloApostolic, let’s see, who is it that also believes another gospel?? How about the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons? Maybe your mentioning of them is a parapraxis?

As the FP's are so noted for doing, you completely mis-quoted what I said. I gave scriptures refuring to the fact that everyone will have a chance to be saved before the rapture!! If they fail to take advantage of that opportunity, that will be their personal choice! After the Lord comes they will not have a second chance!!
Bro. Burk, I AM NOT A TOTAL FUTURIST. But every promise in the book has not been fully fulfilled! I am not the one with out scriptural bases here!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

Yes, in Pocatello & Filer & Twin Falls & Ogden, UT & Rialto, CA & Post Falls, ID &............ The Question I want answered is: Do you believe that the Holy Ghost outpouring is over? After Paul said that," When that which is perfect is "COME", then that which is in part SHALL BE done away!" Give me a straight answer!!

Would you please explain, with chapter and verse, what "that which is perfect" exactly is?

Thanks!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

As the FP's are so noted for doing, you completely mis-quoted what I said. I gave scriptures refuring to the fact that everyone will have a chance to be saved before the rapture!! If they fail to take advantage of that opportunity, that will be their personal choice! After the Lord comes they will not have a second chance!!
Bro. Burk, I AM NOT A TOTAL FUTURIST. But every promise in the book has not been fully fulfilled! I am not the one with out scriptural bases here!

Actually, it was your explaination that made it real hard to follow (don't worry, I won't laugh at your communication skills )....

Anyway, what do you believe then? Pre, Mid, Post, or what?

[nahkoe]

Pocatello Apostolic. Explain how these Scriptures are referring to the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. Thanks!

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Oh, that is a good one, but these are a bit plainer and tell of Jesus' coming happening within the generation of His listeners...

Mat 24:34
(34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mat 16:28
(28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mat 23:36
(36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mar 13:30
(30) Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luk 11:50
(50) That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Luk 21:32
(32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Rev 1:1
(1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:3
(3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 1:19
(19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Rev 4:1
(1) After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 22:6
(6) And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:10
(10) And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

Yes, in Pocatello & Filer & Twin Falls & Ogden, UT & Rialto, CA & Post Falls, ID &............ The Question I want answered is: Do you believe that the Holy Ghost outpouring is over? After Paul said that," When that which is perfect is "COME", then that which is in part SHALL BE done away!" Give me a straight answer!!

No

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Pocatello Apostolic. Explain how these Scriptures are referring to the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. Thanks!

Thanks for asking him again....

I doubt he will ever substanciate this claim....