You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

Doc, are you Jehovah Witness, or Mormon? There will be NO plan of salvation for those who could have been saved from Calvary until the day Jesus comes back. Everyone up until the return of the Lord will have an opportunity to be saved according to Acts 2:38. It then becomes a personal decision to accept or reject that opportunity!!

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God made a promise that this message would be preached to ALL NATIONS, thus giving ALL NATIONS the privilege to get right and turn from sin. Just as it was in Noah's day, if you miss the boat the first time, honey, you won't get a second chance!!

Firstly, I'm not a "Doc" and I'm certainly not your "honey."

Secondly, I did not say it was MY belief, I was respectfully asking you about yours. So the question of me being a Jehovah Witness or Mormon is insubstantial.

Thirdly, the Bible explains the gospel plan of salvation as being Acts 2:38. For you to claim, after YOUR supposed departure of the church and the Holy Ghost, that a person can be saved by "a personal decision to accept or reject that opportunity," is without any biblical support. Would you please explain how your statement is not equivalent to you teaching there will be another gospel? I would ask you to give the scriptures that teach what you're claiming, but I already know they are nowhere to be found. Your claim requires there be another gospel. Such a notion was adamantly opposed by the Apostles.

It never ceases to amaze me how you Futurists come up with ideas that are so opposite what’s found in the Bible!

PocatelloApostolic, let’s see, who is it that also believes another gospel?? How about the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons? Maybe your mentioning of them is a parapraxis?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

My friends,if you will put these scriptures in context, you'll find that Jesus was refuring to the out pouring of the Holy Ghost!!

Please show how that is true.

[ChTatum]

Bro. Burk,
I would like for you to know that I have reached an amazing conclusion.




































If I were younger, less over-weight, and shaved, we could pass for brothers.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Bro. Burk,
I would like for you to know that I have reached an amazing conclusion.




































If I were younger, less over-weight, and shaved, we could pass for brothers.

Yea, like DeVito and Schwarzenegger....

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Yea, like DeVito and Schwarzenegger....

I didn't know you were short.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Please show how that is true.

I started posting to ask this too...

How? Convince me...I'm still unsure what I believe about all this.

I will say that a quick reading of each passage didn't do anything to convince me this idea that each verse is referring to the outpouring of the Holy Ghost though.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I started posting to ask this too...

How? Convince me...I'm still unsure what I believe about all this.

I will say that a quick reading of each passage didn't do anything to convince me this idea that each verse is referring to the outpouring of the Holy Ghost though.

You are quite observant!!!

In my 24-plus-years of living for God, I've never heard anyone use any of those verses for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost.

It will be interesting to see how PocatelloApostolic attempts to prove his earlier claim....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hi brother,

Let me offer my opinion. On this issue, I agree with fp's. SEEING is used in the bible as understanding many times, though not all. But it is there. The eye is referred to in Eph 1 as being our understanding as well. If the bible did not use those terms in this manner, we could not believe such. But it does use those terms as such.

Ephesians 1:18 KJV The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Even Jesus used the EYE to represent the MIND here:

Matthew 6:22-25 KJV The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. (23) But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! (24) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Jesus begins to speak of taking proper THOUGHT after speaking about the EYE and LIGHT. the eye is as Paul said -- the MIND in such instances.

In other words, everyone would UNDERSTAND CLEARLY That what Jesus said about His coming occurred and He was right. The temple WAS destroyed stone by stone. The abomination DID occur. Jesus was right!

When people simply take it at surface value and think in our century's way of thinking, where the EYE is not an idiom for the MIND, they miss these nuances that can only be explained by learning idioms from the Hebrew culture. Such is the case with EYE and SEE.

The exact same Greek word translated "SEE" is used here:

Matthew 27:4 KJV+ Saying,G3004 I have sinnedG264 in that I have betrayedG3860 the innocentG121 blood.G129 AndG1161 theyG3588 said,G2036 WhatG5101 is that toG4314 us?G2248 seeG3700 thouG4771 to that.

Matthew 27:24 KJV+ WhenG1161 PilateG4091 sawG1492 thatG3754 he could prevailG5623 nothing,G3762 butG235 that ratherG3123 a tumultG2351 was made,G1096 he tookG2983 water,G5204 and washedG633 his handsG5495 beforeG561 theG3588 multitude,G3793 saying,G3004 I amG1510 innocentG121 ofG575 theG3588 bloodG129 of thisG5127 just person:G1342 seeG3700 yeG5210 to it.

John 3:36 KJV+ He that believethG4100 onG1519 theG3588 SonG5207 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life:G2222 andG1161 he that believethG544 not theG3588 SonG5207 shall notG3756 seeG3700 life;G2222 butG235 theG3588 wrathG3709 of GodG2316 abidethG3306 onG1909 him.G846

Acts 18:15 KJV+ ButG1161 ifG1487 it beG2076 a questionG2213 ofG4012 wordsG3056 andG2532 names,G3686 andG2532 of(G2596) yourG5209 law,G3551 lookG3700 yeG846 to it; forG1063 IG1473 willG1014 beG1511 noG3756 judgeG2923 of suchG5130 matters.

Have you "seen" the light?

Very good post Brother Blume.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

We agree on much, brother, but note:

Here is the issue. Even when I spoke with you in the past, and answered you using info I already wrote up in a FAQ section of my website, you jeered at it saying you would rather have me directly respond to you and not resort to that which I already wrote. You claimed pre-written material was a cop-out, since you wanted to have our on-the-spot opinions that are none other than direct responses to your words and questions, alone. So when you claim you cannot answer now due to your material being in storage, then you do not have on-the-spot answers to our questions and words. So it appears like you demand something from others that you did not supply yourself. It is as though you are doing the same thing to people's responses that you criticized others for doing to your responses.

It appears you do the same thing you laughed at us about when you cannot respond without pulling our pre-written material. It really is the same thing, bro. Leave the material in storage, and give us your understanding of the issues at hand.

Brother Blume this is an excellent post.

Elder Epley, we are just asking you to be fair in how we have this discussion. Giving Brothers Blume and Burk a hard time over pre-written material (which is of their own creation) and then wanting to use your own in giving us an explanation of what you believe is un-fair. If you don't really know the information that is fine, no one would ever think ill of that. You have pounded the pulpit over the use of pre-written material, and Brothers not answering yourquestions and you do those things yourself? It's all about study Elder Epley, and who knows, you might become a non-dispensational post trib, or even a Partial Preterist.



With respect and love.

In JESUS NAME

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

So according to your belief, once the church and the Holy Ghost is removed from the earth, will there still be an opportunity available for those "left behind" to be saved?

Saved how? Oh, by keeping the restored Jewish Law system?

A restored Jewish Law system performed by individuals who have Eastern European back grounds and couldn't be accepted by any Biblical precedent.


Only one saving message is Acts 2:38, the everlasting gospel!

Rev 14:6

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, HAVING THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com