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Old 04-14-2009, 12:10 PM
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Re: People Get Ready // Misty Edwards

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I am going to reply a second time because I think the post may have been reworded from when I had originally read it.

To fold down the window and listen would do this for me...

The words are repetition of repetition. While each sentence might well hold a good message. About the 14th time I am ready to hear another sentence.

The music... and this is just me stating words to express my opinion.. please don't get angry at me... i am not saying anything about anyone elses view of the music...

But... the music... reminds me of stoner music. I have never done drugs but it just reminds me of something you could slide back in your chair with a good doobie and take it in. LOL.

It has a tribal drone to it that mezmerizes the mind. It is... white noise... it is... a hypnotic drone that shuts the mind down.

Okay... many will feel different. No problem. Not in the least. But... I have taken a few words to attempt to draw a mental picture of what I feel in listening to the music and how I feel about the over repetitive nature of the words.

Again... not judging her... just stating my feelings.
We certainly are allowed to enjoy and appreciate what we like. I think of it more in the light of a glorious praise and worship time as before the throne in Heaven.

Various times in Psalms YHWH tells us he likes it LOUD! I have seen the same kind of loud driving music in Pentecostal Churches many times.

As far as repetitious praise does YHWH like that or not?

6: And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7: And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8: And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Rev. 4:6-8

It seems as if he likes it! The four beasts before his throne do nothing else but praise him saying Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty which was and is and is to come!

Some might get tired of hearing that but not YHWH.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:13 PM
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Re: People Get Ready // Misty Edwards

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We certainly are allowed to enjoy and appreciate what we like. I think of it more in the light of a glorious praise and worship time as before the throne in Heaven.

Various times in Psalms YHWH tells us he likes it LOUD! I have seen the same kind of loud driving music in Pentecostal Churches many times.

As far as repetitious praise does YHWH like that or not?

6: And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7: And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8: And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Rev. 4:6-8

It seems as if he likes it! The four beasts before his throne do nothing else but praise him saying Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty which was and is and is to come!

Some might get tired of hearing that but not YHWH.
3 words in a row in one sentence of a number of verses in a row is not equal or even near to the level of repetition in these songs.

Not by any measure.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:24 PM
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3 words in a row in one sentence of a number of verses in a row is not equal or even near to the level of repetition in these songs.

Not by any measure.
You missed my point. They say those words ALWAYS. They do nothing else but THAT. We are told they rest not day or night but only say these words to YHWH.

You think songs (any songs) being sung on Earth are even close at all to that level of repetition?

It seems YHWH has ordained that kind of repetition in his worship.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:25 PM
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Re: People Get Ready // Misty Edwards

Is the repetition really any different than a black gospel choir singing the same line over and over and over and over again? They do it all the time - just to a different type rhythm.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:27 PM
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Is the repetition really any different than a black gospel choir singing the same line over and over and over and over again? They do it all the time - just to a different type rhythm.
I've had the same thought. I have wondered if some who are so far this level of repetition would be against some other styles of gospel which also delve into such things.

To me consistency would require that both be viewed similarly
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Is the repetition really any different than a black gospel choir singing the same line over and over and over and over again? They do it all the time - just to a different type rhythm.
Amen.
So they are both examples of a musical technique that is deployed to accomplish something other than the glorification of, and service to, their God.

Creating a feel good moment that uses a transcendental state is pleasurable and will grow a crowd without any requirement of spiritual mindedness being at the forefront.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:35 PM
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Amen.
So they are both examples of a musical technique that is deployed to accomplish something other than the glorification of, and service to, their God.

Creating a feel good moment that uses a transcendental state is pleasurable and will grow a crowd without any requirement of spiritual mindedness being at the forefront.
I guess I like just about all kinds of music. But seeing Misty lead worship (especially in person) is very inspiring. People can criticize her all they want, but there are very few worship leaders that have the kind of passion that she does for Jesus.

Also, there is no glorification to God in alot of Pentecostal "shouting" -- it's an emotional release for the person doing it. That doesn't make it wrong. It's just the culture that most of us are/were used to.
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I guess I like just about all kinds of music. But seeing Misty lead worship (especially in person) is very inspiring. People can criticize her all they want, but there are very few worship leaders that have the kind of passion that she does for Jesus.

Also, there is no glorification to God in alot of Pentecostal "shouting" -- it's an emotional release for the person doing it. That doesn't make it wrong. It's just the culture that most of us are/were used to.
It is very difficult to find what is right by staring at what is wrong (or being participated in for completely different purposes).

I have no need or calling to judge Misty.
We just discuss here (and other places) how a lot of stuff happens that is promoted as praise unto God but is really just searching for a nice distraction.
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Re: People Get Ready // Misty Edwards

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Amen.
So they are both examples of a musical technique that is deployed to accomplish something other than the glorification of, and service to, their God.

Creating a feel good moment that uses a transcendental state is pleasurable and will grow a crowd without any requirement of spiritual mindedness being at the forefront.
And what is the "something other" than glorifying Jesus Christ you think she is wanting us to do? Can you not see the love of Jesus Christ overflowing from her and the worshippers? Can you not see the stirring of hearts for Christ?

If I were looking for a "feel good" moment APART FROM Jesus Christ I would not be sitting in front of a computer screen with tears of love falling for the presence and love of the one who died and rose again.
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And what is the "something other" than glorifying Jesus Christ you think she is wanting us to do? Can you not see the love of Jesus Christ overflowing from her and the worshippers? Can you not see the stirring of hearts for Christ?

If I were looking for a "feel good" moment APART FROM Jesus Christ I would not be sitting in front of a computer screen with tears of love falling for the presence and love of the one who died and rose again.
Micheal,
I am not denying or discounting that the same video that evokes worship and praise within the heart of one hearer can serve little more than instant gratification (feel good) in another.

IMO, feel good applies to the fleeting; a buzz, a rush, a high.
It would be like people who say
Thank God its Friday
or the Christian version
...."if I can just make it to Sunday"

Please enjoy your Misty moments.
If your heart bears witness of your God, you are certainly not condemned, so its all good...for you.

But we are all big boys here. ANY music is capable ---with or without God, to evoke an energetic climb in our mood.

IMO, when audible repetition is used, it is normally a hypnotic gateway. But the pulsing, oscilating, frequency will come into play and can be valuable when trying to consider the basis for its use.
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