Yep, that is why this mentality many people have of grace today is scary. I might disagree with you Timmy on a host of issues and fight tooth and nail for what I believe but I would not judge your eternity ever! My belief system as all of ours do bring a dividing line but I believe we all for the most part do it in love. Not to hurt but to prod each other to keep the focus on him. When it is all said and done it will be for his honor and his glory that true justice will be administered to all properly. In this I pray he is most lenient in everyway that we all share fellowship on the otherside.
Also to answer the question... nobody knows UNTIL he says... Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Sounds like we are talking about the same judgment to me as with the others as he speaks to each of us individually. Some to life and others torment!
Re: You want to know how it will go in the Judgmen
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Originally Posted by LUKE2447
Yep, that is why this mentality many people have of grace today is scary. I might disagree with you Timmy on a host of issues and fight tooth and nail for what I believe but I would not judge your eternity ever! My belief system as all of ours do bring a dividing line but I believe we all for the most part do it in love. Not to hurt but to prod each other to keep the focus on him. When it is all said and done it will be for his honor and his glory that true justice will be administered to all properly. In this I pray he is most lenient in everyway that we all share fellowship on the otherside.
Also to answer the question... nobody knows UNTIL he says... Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Sounds like we are talking about the same judgment to me as with the others as he speaks to each of us individually. Some to life and others torment!
Actually I believe we can live with assurance of salvation, not simply waiting to die to know if we made it. One of the blessings of receiving the Spirit is proof of our justification and that we have the down payment of the finished work. No need to live in fear or torment, have I made it or not.
Eph. 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[b] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
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Re: You want to know how it will go in the Judgmen
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Actually I believe we can live with assurance of salvation, not simply waiting to die to know if we made it. One of the blessings of receiving the Spirit is proof of our justification and that we have the down payment of the finished work. No need to live in fear or torment, have I made it or not.
Eph. 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[b] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Our assurance is based on us being faithful to the end. Jesus's teachings are very clear on this. He promises are true and faithful it is up to us to respond to his Word and he will give us strength to do so if we choose to follow. In the end God will judge you faithful or unfaithful by your works.
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Yep, that is why this mentality many people have of grace today is scary. I might disagree with you Timmy on a host of issues and fight tooth and nail for what I believe but I would not judge your eternity ever! My belief system as all of ours do bring a dividing line but I believe we all for the most part do it in love. Not to hurt but to prod each other to keep the focus on him. When it is all said and done it will be for his honor and his glory that true justice will be administered to all properly. In this I pray he is most lenient in everyway that we all share fellowship on the otherside.
Also to answer the question... nobody knows UNTIL he says... Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Sounds like we are talking about the same judgment to me as with the others as he speaks to each of us individually. Some to life and others torment!
I agree. How could they? Sure, a lot of people voted "100% sure" in my poll, but I don't know how they can be so sure. Do they have faith to be healed or heal someone else of sickness, every single time? Probably not. But they somehow know that their faith is good enough to save themselves. Odd, IMO.
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I agree. How could they? Sure, a lot of people voted "100% sure" in my poll, but I don't know how they can be so sure. Do they have faith to be healed or heal someone else of sickness, every single time? Probably not. But they somehow know that their faith is good enough to save themselves. Odd, IMO.
I think it's important to know that faith isn't magic to be used at our discretion. Faith is what is necessary to believe the unction of the Spirit when God wants to do something. Many men think of faith as something that gets God moving. No...faith gets us moving. I don't have the faith to heal people. But I pray I have the faith to lay hands on a person when the Spirit speaks and indicates that God desires to heal them.
But I think you're right in your overall premise. I don't think we can be 100% sure of our ultimate salvation.
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