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Old 06-17-2009, 04:13 AM
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I didn't know I needed footnotes and AP citations to make a claim that is quite obvious. There are some charismatic churches that use people if they aren't even saved, so it wouldn't surprise me that that are some that use people, even if they are a Modalist. But, by and far, fundamentalists, scholars, teachers and prominent leaders within Trinitarian circles see Modalism as a great heresy. It sounds like you've encountered for tolerant people in your studies and ministry. My experience has been opposite, and any Trinitarian's position papers would support that.
Perhaps, as MOW pointed, out it is the attitude with which you come into contact with them that creates such an attitude. I never claimed to work in charismatic churches. Besides I thought, from your position, everyone in a Charismatic church was unsaved?

Again you make an unsubstantiated claim based only on your experience. Take for instance the fact that Western Theological had serious concerns about letting five Oneness professors attend classes. One prof in particular opposed them strongly. When their time there was over another group of students followed from CLC, one a close friend of mine. When he was juggling classes and work the same professor who had so opposed Oneness people in his school, offered his home to help another Oneness student complete his studies. Why? Someone built a bridge.

When I went to Regent, I encountered nothing but kindness and respect from all the professors I came in contact with. One Prof. asked me to explain a Oneness view of the Godhead to him after class we have had a great relationship and he has invited me to sit in on classes he thought I would be interested in even after I had switched over to the school of law. Vinson Synan was the dean of the school of theology he spoke highly of many of prominent men in our movement that he had known for years. One prof. looked me up every time he had contact with other oneness people.

When someone claims to be Oneness and then acts like a jerk to everyone who doesn't believe the way they do that creates a bad name for all of us. I recall reading an account of a young man in Bible College going with his friends and basically taking over an Assembly of God meeting and preaching at them. When Pastor Haney found out he had to go and rebuild relationships and apologize for these students.

Obviously if I am writing a position paper and arguing for my position I am going to try and tear down another view, that is true if I am Oneness writing about other heretical Oneness view as well. But that doesn't mean that we cannot work together, as long as both are willing.
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Perhaps, as MOW pointed, out it is the attitude with which you come into contact with them that creates such an attitude. I never claimed to work in charismatic churches. Besides I thought, from your position, everyone in a Charismatic church was unsaved?

Again you make an unsubstantiated claim based only on your experience. Take for instance the fact that Western Theological had serious concerns about letting five Oneness professors attend classes. One prof in particular opposed them strongly. When their time there was over another group of students followed from CLC, one a close friend of mine. When he was juggling classes and work the same professor who had so opposed Oneness people in his school, offered his home to help another Oneness student complete his studies. Why? Someone built a bridge.

When I went to Regent, I encountered nothing but kindness and respect from all the professors I came in contact with. One Prof. asked me to explain a Oneness view of the Godhead to him after class we have had a great relationship and he has invited me to sit in on classes he thought I would be interested in even after I had switched over to the school of law. Vinson Synan was the dean of the school of theology he spoke highly of many of prominent men in our movement that he had known for years. One prof. looked me up every time he had contact with other oneness people.

When someone claims to be Oneness and then acts like a jerk to everyone who doesn't believe the way they do that creates a bad name for all of us. I recall reading an account of a young man in Bible College going with his friends and basically taking over an Assembly of God meeting and preaching at them. When Pastor Haney found out he had to go and rebuild relationships and apologize for these students.

Obviously if I am writing a position paper and arguing for my position I am going to try and tear down another view, that is true if I am Oneness writing about other heretical Oneness view as well. But that doesn't mean that we cannot work together, as long as both are willing.
Usually the average person in church doesn't care about the difference and sees no big deal because you believe JEsus is God. If you where a JW..... it could get ugly. Usually it's seminary students or associate pastors etc... that will give people fits cast them down. It's not just OP preachers etc... Protecting the flock you know. LOL!
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Usually the average person in church doesn't care about the difference and sees no big deal because you believe JEsus is God. If you where a JW..... it could get ugly. Usually it's seminary students or associate pastors etc... that will give people fits cast them down. It's not just OP preachers etc... Protecting the flock you know. LOL!
While what you say is true about most lay people, last year I preached the pastor appreciation service for a Foursquare pastor, I have taught Sunday School for an Assembly of God pastor, and I have taught the college age classes for a Christian Evangelistic Assembly pastor. Never had an issue and was ALWAYS upfront about where I was coming from never deceived anyone.
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