I'm leaving the principles of the doctrine...!

[RevBuddy]

I’m Leaving the Principles of the doctrine…

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.” Hebrews 6:1-3

In reviewing the threads and associated responses to those thread here at AFF, I have an unease feeling in my spirit and heart. The genesis of the uneasiness is the style, tone and confrontational nature of the threads, and especially the snide and accusing responses of Apostolic brothers and sisters.

Have we, as an Apostolic movement, decided to admire, decorate and continuously trim The Foundation of our beliefs while willfully refusing to advance the House of God on to perfection?

I will not make one caveat here concerning my Apostolic heritage and beliefs…there is no need…it is a critical, even desperate time for us…not because of any single issue…not because of our stand on any given evangelistic tool, program or method, and not because of our individual theological position on the precise definitions of the Godhead. We, as a movement, must “leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ,” refuse to be caught up in a discussion with “Sanballat and Tobiah” on the merits or lack of merits of “building the wall!”

The Foundation is essential and it must be sure, solid and firmly anchored on the Rock, Christ Jesus. But, if we continue to insist on refining, massaging and admiring the true foundation, when will we truly do the will of God...which is to “go on unto perfection,” building a wonderful, glorious and inviting House of God to His glory and honor? We may enjoy the foundation’s purity, its immovability and its eternal consistency, but the purpose of The Foundation is not, and has never been, to be an end unto itself. Any builder who completes a successful foundation clearly realizes that he has only begun a good work. With the foundation in place, there is still much to be done in order to achieve a building or structure that is functional, safe and welcoming to its occupants or guests.

We cannot afford to continue this addiction and compulsive focus on The wonderful Foundation of Jesus Christ or issues not directly relevant to continuing the "Building." Can we not find the motivation, even inspiration, in Scripture to continue the building process and thereby do the good and acceptable and perfect will of God? There is a “plum line” available to us in the example and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ...a solid Cornerstone! Let’s take that plum line, measure straight lines, in light of His Word, and continue the process for which He has called us all.

As for me, I can’t take part in any more academic and often futile discussions of the doctrines of repentance, faith, baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. There is a greater Cause; there is a more perfect goal and there is a Call unto perfection…and make no mistake, this call is not to holy perfection…this is a God-mandated call to fulfilling His perfect Will in all our lives…

Earnestly, prayfully and sincerely, I say,

“And this will we do, if God permit”

…and if we can pull ourselves up above the level of The Foundation and see the Heights and Glory of His House!
.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

I’m Leaving the Principles of the doctrine…

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.” Hebrews 6:1-3

In reviewing the threads and associated responses to those thread here at AFF, I have an unease feeling in my spirit and heart. The genesis of the uneasiness is the style, tone and confrontational nature of the threads, and especially the snide and accusing responses of Apostolic brothers and sisters.

Have we, as an Apostolic movement, decided to admire, decorate and continuously trim The Foundation of our beliefs while willfully refusing to advance the House of God on to perfection?

I will not make one caveat here concerning my Apostolic heritage and beliefs…there is no need…it is a critical, even desperate time for us…not because of any single issue…not because of our stand on any given evangelistic tool, program or method, and not because of our individual theological position on the precise definitions of the Godhead. We, as a movement, must “leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ,” refuse to be caught up in a discussion with “Sanballat and Tobiah” on the merits or lack of merits of “building the wall!”

The Foundation is essential and it must be sure, solid and firmly anchored on the Rock, Christ Jesus. But, if we continue to insist on refining, massaging and admiring the true foundation, when will we truly do the will of God...which is to “go on unto perfection,” building a wonderful, glorious and inviting House of God to His glory and honor? We may enjoy the foundation’s purity, its immovability and its eternal consistency, but the purpose of The Foundation is not, and has never been, to be an end unto itself. Any builder who completes a successful foundation clearly realizes that he has only begun a good work. With the foundation in place, there is still much to be done in order to achieve a building or structure that is functional, safe and welcoming to its occupants or guests.

We cannot afford to continue this addiction and compulsive focus on The wonderful Foundation of Jesus Christ or issues not directly relevant to continuing the "Building." Can we not find the motivation, even inspiration, in Scripture to continue the building process and thereby do the good and acceptable and perfect will of God? There is a “plum line” available to us in the example and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ...a solid Cornerstone! Let’s take that plum line, measure straight lines, in light of His Word, and continue the process for which He has called us all.

As for me, I can’t take part in any more academic and often futile discussions of the doctrines of repentance, faith, baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. There is a greater Cause; there is a more perfect goal and there is a Call unto perfection…and make no mistake, this call is not to holy perfection…this is a God-mandated call to fulfilling His perfect Will in all our lives…

Earnestly, prayfully and sincerely, I say,

“And this will we do, if God permit”

…and if we can pull ourselves up above the level of The Foundation and see the Heights and Glory of His House!
.

RevBuddy, I understand, and can appreciate what you're saying here. But you must remember....this is just a discussion board, and all kinds of people congregate here. There are many, many Apostolics who are well past the foundation stage.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

I’m Leaving the Principles of the doctrine…

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.” Hebrews 6:1-3

In reviewing the threads and associated responses to those thread here at AFF, I have an unease feeling in my spirit and heart. The genesis of the uneasiness is the style, tone and confrontational nature of the threads, and especially the snide and accusing responses of Apostolic brothers and sisters.

Have we, as an Apostolic movement, decided to admire, decorate and continuously trim The Foundation of our beliefs while willfully refusing to advance the House of God on to perfection?

I will not make one caveat here concerning my Apostolic heritage and beliefs…there is no need…it is a critical, even desperate time for us…not because of any single issue…not because of our stand on any given evangelistic tool, program or method, and not because of our individual theological position on the precise definitions of the Godhead. We, as a movement, must “leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ,” refuse to be caught up in a discussion with “Sanballat and Tobiah” on the merits or lack of merits of “building the wall!”

The Foundation is essential and it must be sure, solid and firmly anchored on the Rock, Christ Jesus. But, if we continue to insist on refining, massaging and admiring the true foundation, when will we truly do the will of God...which is to “go on unto perfection,” building a wonderful, glorious and inviting House of God to His glory and honor? We may enjoy the foundation’s purity, its immovability and its eternal consistency, but the purpose of The Foundation is not, and has never been, to be an end unto itself. Any builder who completes a successful foundation clearly realizes that he has only begun a good work. With the foundation in place, there is still much to be done in order to achieve a building or structure that is functional, safe and welcoming to its occupants or guests.

We cannot afford to continue this addiction and compulsive focus on The wonderful Foundation of Jesus Christ or issues not directly relevant to continuing the "Building." Can we not find the motivation, even inspiration, in Scripture to continue the building process and thereby do the good and acceptable and perfect will of God? There is a “plum line” available to us in the example and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ...a solid Cornerstone! Let’s take that plum line, measure straight lines, in light of His Word, and continue the process for which He has called us all.

As for me, I can’t take part in any more academic and often futile discussions of the doctrines of repentance, faith, baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. There is a greater Cause; there is a more perfect goal and there is a Call unto perfection…and make no mistake, this call is not to holy perfection…this is a God-mandated call to fulfilling His perfect Will in all our lives…

Earnestly, prayfully and sincerely, I say,

“And this will we do, if God permit”

…and if we can pull ourselves up above the level of The Foundation and see the Heights and Glory of His House!
.

Revbuddy... i do think the Foundations are understood by most here.. the rest is just wall decorations...

[mizpeh]

Rev,

The foundation isn't agreed upon by 100% of the members of this forum. That's why there is continuous discussion about the principles of our faith. But we can go on and discuss the other things that weigh on your heart. Why don't you start a thread on being led of the Spirit, or how to be like Christ, or the fruit of the Spirit vs the works of the flesh, or the body of Christ, or whatever you believe the deeper things of God consist of.

Once the foundation is laid...what next...please don't leave but exhort us to press forward. You can change what you don't like on this site but not by leaving. What have you to say about the verses below?


Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

[mfblume]

There really is a need to go on unto perfection. I have seen the same trend... Stick with the foundational issues and say nary a word about the goal of perfection. RevBuddy, you're a man after my own heart. We've encompassed this mountain long enough. Let's go to CANAAN!

[RevBuddy]

Mizpeh,

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not threatening to literally leave the forum. I'm just purposing in my heart not to continue to participate in discussions that are non-productive or counter-productive to building His House.

My commitment is to follow the admonition of the Apostle Paul, to leave the basics and go forward to the advanced calling of God for the Church.

By the way, it's also a shame we're not in agreement on The Foundation...seeing it's an Apostolic forum...very interesting.

Your scriptural references are very appicable and address exactly the correct mindset and spirit needed to accomplish the will of God for His kingdom on earth.

My question is more philosphical than real, when I ask, "When can we get on with the Kingdom?"

[RevBuddy]

mfblume,

Thanks for your comments...

Perhaps it's idealistic, but I am convinced that Soul-focused people, one-by-one, will be the significant contributors to His kingdom. Israel's wilderness experience could be described as "dead men walking." God help us not to view the wilderness as the "norm," but rather, remember and focus on the Land of Promise already given by God!

Now, mfblume, I haven't confused you with Sign On, the dotted lion, have I?

[revrandy]

I do not think that anything foundational is agreed on 100% regardless of the forum... There is truth and un-truths...

I understand your point... but I don't think that this forum will come to that...

Discussion and difference is the building blocks of this forum...There are some here I completely agree with and others I don't...

Your choice to participate or not is yours and I respect that..

My choice is if I see error or something I disagree with i will communicate it because there could be a possibility I could be wrong and learn something...

[RevBuddy]

RevRandy,

I never really considered THAT...being wrong, I mean. ... I've never experienced that

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

RevRandy,

I never really considered THAT...being wrong, I mean. ... I've never experienced that

Obviosly your not married....