Are you sure you're saved?

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

In covenant and being saved are two different things. Your not "saved" in the since of eternal life, til he says well done! God offers the provision for your sin but the race to eternal life is not about the first step!

I strongly disagree. I already have eternal life when I have the Lord in me. Eternal life is not something we get when we become immortal. Immortal and eternal are two very different things. Eternal means no beginning nor ending. Immortal means no ending alone. So since only God is eternal, and I can never BECOME eternal, I have eternal life since He is in me.

1 John 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That does not mean I cannot lose my eternal life and salvation through sin. But right now, I have it! That just needs to be maintained.

We can have an opinion, but where is the scripture for it?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I strongly disagree. I already have eternal life when I have the Lord in me. Eternal life is not something we get when we become immortal. immortal and eternal are two very different things. Eternal means no beginning nor ending. Immortal means no ending alone. So since only God is eternal, and I can never BECOME eternal, I have eternal life since He is in me.

1 John 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That does not mean I cannot lose my eternal life and salvation through sin. But right now, I have it! That just needs to be maintained.

We can have an opinion, but where is the scripture for it?

You have the hope of... You also interact with the eternal life of the Spirit. The life of the Spirit is the eternal life IN HIM he promised but we have not obtained it yet in it's fulness. We INHERIT IT in the end! As when you inherit the future kingdom of God as Paul says! Yes he gives us life as in covenant/eternal life through his Spirit but the promise has to come to a fulness of realization. In the end one is judged either unto eternal life or damnation. You say you have eternal life? To inherit it is the point. I think it is all semantics on our points but oh well! Much of your points almost like many OSAS who say I have eternal life. I have it thus my salvation cannot be take away.

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

You have the hope of... You also interact with the eternal life of the Spirit. The life of the Spirit is the eternal life IN HIM he promised but we have not obtained it yet in it's fulness. We INHERIT IT in the end! As when you inherit the future kingdom of God as Paul says! Yes he gives us life as in covenant/eternal life through his Spirit but the promise has to come to a fulness of realization. In the end one is judged either unto eternal life or damnation. You say you have eternal life? To inherit it is the point. I think it is all semantics on our points but oh well! Much of your points almost like many OSAS who say I have eternal life. I have it thus my salvation cannot be take away.

It may be semantics, but I know if I should pass today, I would inherit all that is waiting for the saved believer. I already said I can lose my salvation. But as it stands now, I have eternal life and know I am saved. I will also would know if I am not.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It may be semantics, but I know if I should pass today, I would inherit all that is waiting for the saved believer. I already said I can lose my salvation. But as it stands now, I have eternal life and know I am saved. I will also would know if I am not.

I agree we do have access now to eternal life by covenant but it will rewarded to the faithful. If you feel that. I have no problem with you believing or saying you are saved. My point in the end is we still have to wait until judgment! The heart is deceitful ya know!

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I agree we do have access now to eternal life by covenant but it will rewarded to the faithful. If you feel that. I have no problem with you believing or saying you are saved. My point in the end is we still have to wait until judgment! The heart is deceitful ya know!

If that is true, then all the bible's words about assurance of salvation, as I quoted one from Paul, are moot. I can cite Heb 10:20 as well. There is no assurance that Hebrews 10 requires if we cannot know we're saved. The judgment is not for believers to determine if they are lost or not, but to determine their rewards.