Why did God let people children included be drowned in the flood ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
But how can one be reconciled to Christ,and not have salvation ?
We can't play fast and footloose with the word "salvation". Salvation means nothing if defined. If being with Christ is "salvation" then angels experience "salvation". I believe that "salvation" is "salvation" in relation to the punishment of Hell (eternal or not). Therefore if one is condemned to Hell only to be reconciled a thousand years later... they never experienced "salvation" from Hell's fire. They felt it. However, if you and I go immediately into the presence of the Lord, we experienced salvation from Hells flame.
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Another thing how can the blood of Christ,be applied to someone after they die ?
God is the same yesterday today and forever. Not even death can separate us from the Love of God in Christ Jesus. If a soul can cry out for forgiveness from the deepest reaches of Hell... is God so impersonal, unconcerned, incapable, or robotic as to not be able to reconcile them according to his divine will and power?
Why did God let people children included be drowned in the flood ?
I caution against confusing temporal judgments with eternal judments. God was cleansing the planet and protecting the bloodline of Messiah (Noah was righteous - or pure- in his generations).
Noah was righteous but what about his descendants after the flood ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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What does should not perish mean ? If one is eventually going to join the redeemed, how could they perish ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Maybe somebody can tell us what the wages of sin is death means ?
In kindness how does one who follows the ur doctrine,understand the wages of sin is death ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
What does should not perish mean ? If one is eventually going to join the redeemed, how could they perish ?
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Maybe somebody can tell us what the wages of sin is death means ?
In kindness how does one who follows the ur doctrine,understand the wages of sin is death ?
Good questions, since these things are explicitly contrasted with everlasting or eternal life. Seems to be either or.
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Very gruesome my friend. I get the feeling sometimes that some are glad that people are going to Hell and will be upset at God if they don't. I pray that the Spirit of Truth will run a check on all of our hearts and reveal what "spirit" we are guided by.
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How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?
Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.
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How will the URs feel....if they indeed make it to heaven, only to find out that all the nasty stuff they said about God....the God of the bible that DOES in fact allow the unbelievers to perish in hell? Will they demand God send them away rather than spend an Eternity with such a monster (their words)?
Again I have to remind us, what matters is what GOD'S word SAYS on the matter. Not emotive posturing. Not philosophical musings. When a person defines their God by such devices they are infact creating a false god made in their own image.
God's Word in the ancient Hebrew, Aramiac, and Greek... or God's Word in Latin?
Good points. I don't see any issue with God appearing brutal. Even to burn someone in Hell for a thousand years for sins committed over a span of only 50 years is brutal. For me the issue is... who wins. Satan's goal is to alientate creation from God. If Satan alienates 90% of creation from God... technically he succeeded in his goal. Christ died to save all of humanity. If only 10% of humanity is "saved", Jesus fell tragically short of his goal. And the winner is... Satan.
Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Bible states that God will reconcile all things to himself. Will he? Yes or no?
I'm not totally convinced of UR teaching. However, I see how it provides the ultimate victory against sin and Satan. It also demonstrates a love for all humanity that trancends judgmentalism and strife.
What does should not perish mean ? If one is eventually going to join the redeemed, how could they perish ?
Perish has the connotation of shipwreck. One's life and purpose for existance can be shipwrecked forever by rejecting God. Those who do not accept Christ will never be all that God intended them to be... even if ultimatley reconciled to him. They've made shipwreck of their lives and destinies.
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