Thats hellish. Where is the pastors faith?
Why did Peter have to put up his 'legal' sword but this 'commitee' of armed men dont have to?
What a weak fleshy leader!
Assume that this pastor has a good reason for security. What if it was your pastor whose life had been threatened? Would you have the courage to say, "just trust God pastor. Don't take any precautions at all. You have to have faith. I mean, after all God will take care of you. If you die it is just your time to go. God will take care of your family if some idiot blows your brains out. Your son and daughter will do just fine without you. And I am sure your wife will find another good man of God to marry."
Hellish??? What is really hellish? Faith or foolishness. Precaution or presumption.
Thats hellish. Where is the pastors faith?
Why did Peter have to put up his 'legal' sword but this 'commitee' of armed men dont have to?
What a weak fleshy leader!
The word of God doesn't mean any thing anymore. God is not able to do what he said he would do because man want's to do it for himself with a gun.The most important thing to some is the second admendment.
The word of God doesn't mean any thing anymore. God is not able to do what he said he would do because man want's to do it for himself with a gun.The most important thing to some is the second admendment.
Good point. But, isn't it understandable that this attitude prevails for most "believers", considering that, regardless or whether God can or can't, He actually doesn't, usually, do what He promised? They see the Word, and they see the real world. Everyone has to choose which to believe.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I don't necessarily have any spiritual or moral objections...however....
Guns freak me out! To the point of phobia. I guess I see it as a piece of equipment with no purpose other than to cause harm / death. If it's within my control, I don't want to anywhere near a gun.
I don't go to church anyway, so it's a moot point, but I don't think I would go, if I knew that several people were bringing guns there. I just wouldn't feel safe. To be fair, I would go to a friends / family members house if they had a gun either.
I don't necessarily have any spiritual or moral objections...however....
Guns freak me out! To the point of phobia. I guess I see it as a piece of equipment with no purpose other than to cause harm / death. If it's within my control, I don't want to anywhere near a gun.
I don't go to church anyway, so it's a moot point, but I don't think I would go, if I knew that several people were bringing guns there. I just wouldn't feel safe. To be fair, I would go to a friends / family members house if they had a gun either.
Bottom lines...guns are icky!
I'm undecided on the issue, myself. The cliche, if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns, has some validity, IMO. Yet, guns in the hands of so-called "good" people (if it's possible to define them!) can result in accidental injuries and death. But sometimes they do protect. (I think!)
As someone already mentioned, this idea of a security force in the church better be supported with excellent training.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Assume that this pastor has a good reason for security. What if it was your pastor whose life had been threatened? Would you have the courage to say, "just trust God pastor. Don't take any precautions at all. You have to have faith. I mean, after all God will take care of you. If you die it is just your time to go. God will take care of your family if some idiot blows your brains out. Your son and daughter will do just fine without you. And I am sure your wife will find another good man of God to marry."
Hellish??? What is really hellish? Faith or foolishness. Precaution or presumption.
What spirit is this pastor under?
In the wild wild west congregants were instructed to remove their holsters and leave their side arms in the wagons or on
their saddles before entering the 'LORDS HOUSE'.
That what they called the building where the church met - THE LORD'S HOUSE.
Those days were dangerous too - but left their six shooters were left outside.
In the wild wild west congregants were instructed to remove their holsters and leave their side arms in the wagons or on
their saddles before entering the 'LORDS HOUSE'.
That what they called the building where the church met - THE LORD'S HOUSE.
Those days were dangerous too - but left their six shooters were left outside.
true but even the outlaw seemed to have respect for the "Lord's House" back then. today we live in a society that seems to have NO respect for anything.
I'm undecided on the issue, myself. The cliche, if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns, has some validity, IMO. Yet, guns in the hands of so-called "good" people (if it's possible to define them!) can result in accidental injuries and death. But sometimes they do protect. (I think!)
As someone already mentioned, this idea of a security force in the church better be supported with excellent training.
Which is why we need a Jedi knight in every service. I cannot think of better protection against thugs who may enter the building.
I would say put it up to a church vote... how does the local body feel concerning this course of action. I may be a pacifist and not want weapons around, but should there be a VERY REAL danger, and should it disturb the saints, and enough vote for it, is there any harm in hiring a security guard? I doubt it...
But I would think a spirit of faith and trusting in divine protection is better than trusting in swords...
-Bro. Alex
You know, Jesus instructed His 12 to sell their garments and buy some swords.
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