Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by n david

Then it's not an "Intentional Confrontation" ... more like "Intentional Innuendo."

IF true ... I'd be upset with PM labeling TFT, RJ and others from the meeting as false prophets - regardless if done by name or innuendo. I'd have more respect if done by name, however, instead of hiding behind innuendo.

No, there are many ways to be confrontational, and both can be effective when used in the right way. Had PM went on a list of names, you'd really have yourself in a hizzy fit about what is appropriate for a campmeeting.

False prophet? Who said that? I think he warned about the damage, history and vulnerability of secret meetings. He made his point loud and clear, lest others are asked to participate in such meetings (and I'm sure that was his point).

Now, point aside, I'm not sure it was "secret", though certainly exclusive. But we've all been the kid without the birthday invitation at one time or another, right?

2 issues are here on this post:

1) Was the Detroit meeting okay?
2) Was PM in-bounds with this comments at the MS campmeeting?

For me #1 depends on many factors that I simply don't know about the meeting. And #2 is yes, he was okay to do what he did at the campmeeting. Doesn't mean I agree with his judgement, but he was perfectly within bounds.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

Mooney states that one cannot go to sleep with "snakes in the house". He proclaims that false prophets "are among us."

He asks "Who are these "progressive" theologians who are wanting to lead us away from Pentecost? ... I'm not going with you!"

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

Mooney alludes to the actions of some brethren as "cunning","conniving", "crafting" and that God is testing the Church in these last days with "dreamers" and "false prophets".

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

False prophet? Who said that? I think he warned about the damage, history and vulnerability of secret meetings. He made his point loud and clear, lest others are asked to participate in such meetings (and I'm sure that was his point).

Read the above.

The more I think about it, the more I remember PM with a stage presence. Like Jeff Arnold, he has this platform personna he uses and part of that is the bravado and stuff in this message.

Question remains ... was it just his platform personna, or does he really believe these men to be thieves, liars, false prophets, etc...?

[James Griffin]

There was never ANY talk of leaving the UPCI.

It was exclusive and not secret.

Like minded people meeting for fellowship and a communion service.

My Lord have mercy, how can you call anything "secret" that was the the subject of several threads on another forum weeks before the meeting.

As much as I love the UPCI it is its nature to rally AGAINST a perceived common enemy,( even when that enemy is a total straw man), ESPECIALLY when the main ones SOUNDING THE ALARM, are either incumbents or currently running for political office.

If the UPCI had spent a tenth the energy preaching what it is for, instead of what it is against (the last few decades especially) it would probably be ten times its present size.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

There was never ANY talk of leaving the UPCI.

It was exclusive and not secret.

Like minded people meeting for fellowship and a communion service.

My Lord have mercy, how can you call anything "secret" that was the the subject of several threads on another forum weeks before the meeting.

As much as I love the UPCI it is its nature to rally AGAINST a perceived common enemy,( even when that enemy is a total straw man), ESPECIALLY when the main ones SOUNDING THE ALARM, are either incumbents or currently running for political office.

If the UPCI had spent a tenth the energy preaching what it is for, instead of what it is against (the last few decades especially) it would probably be ten times its present size.

I couldn't agree with you more!

You don't need to use fear to rally the troops against those in your own circles!

[U376977]

Just a causual observer here. I'm not in UPC, never will be. When this "invite only" meeting was posted about here, now being called "secret" it was described as a "networking" meeting and that is was not a threat and they did not was to divide the UPCI, blah, blah, blah.
Now that Mooney has laid the "t..in the punch bowl" it seems like the "general board" has a lot of concerns. And that there was more to the meeting than what has been disclosed. One poster told me "the UPC is all about control;" how dare some of her preachers call a meeting without getting approval. They must be conspirators Brutus! In the name of God kill them all!