It's Never Enough - Page 2

Rhoni · #11 07-10-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Be glad when ya'll stop letting the preacher make yall fill guilty....LOL

The preacher, the saints/aints, and the family...between them all the devil don't need his imps

Blessings, Rhoni

GrowingPains · #12 07-10-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

This was my problem with Pentecostalism too. Amazing the transformation that happen to me when I actually started reading the bible for myself.

The gospel is good news and jam packed with promises for the children of God. Most Apostolic churches focus on Acts 2:38 as the gospel and this false foundation leads to all sorts of issues.

Delta, what do you mean? That's the "get saved' gate. 1) How is that a faulty foundation (to be baptized, repentant and Holy Ghost filled)? and 2) What issues come as a result of being repentant, baptized and Holy Ghost filled?

GrowingPains · #13 07-10-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Adino

Until a man comes to the realization that he must cease working in order to fully rest in Christ's finished work he will never truly know what it means to 'enter into Christ's rest.'

Christ did ALL that is necessary for us to be right before God. The more we depend on the sufficiency of his work, the less we depend on our own conduct. Conversely, the more we depend on being 'good enough' the less we depend on the goodness of Christ for our status before God.

Peace and assurance of salvation will only come once we accept that we can never be good enough and rest in the righteousness of Christ. Accept that we can never do enough to merit a right standing before God (in fact, all our righteousness is as filthy rags) and rest in a righteousness imputed to us by faith alone.

Our justification is founded on the work of Christ, not on our own righteous acts.

Performance based acceptance VS acceptance based performance.

LAW vs GRACE

Would it surprise you that I agree?

Howbeit, there is much in the Gospels about the believer's responsibility: Working out their own salvation, pictures of a prodigal son making up his mind and coming home, hearing the call -- and following, hearing of the promise of the father -- and making it to Jerusalem... in fact, the word repentance in the original indicates the believer's responsibility to change their direction, placing their faith in Christ.

jaxfam6 · #14 07-10-2009, 03:08 PM

Actually understand what you are saying here. I think that once I got to where I no longer worried about what others thought or said about me, and started learning to live for GOD on my own merit, I was able to actually learn to feel I was saved.
Not worrying about rather you please a pastor or a board or other members is hard. Since you go to church with them. You may no longer be able to paricipate in a ministry that you love because you 'buck' the system. Those are hard things to face.
The thing is once you decide to serve God for yourself and learn what HE wants from you the happier you will be. Rather in your current church or in another. Just know that others have been and are currently at this same cross road in life. Some make the bad choice of leaving truth and others learn to find out more about truth. Does not mean you will change anything about the way you walk with God but that you no longer worry about what others say about your walk with God.
Will be praying for you and any others that are going through this process.

Praxeas · #15 07-10-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by moniker

My parents were the type of people that were the first ones to church, and the last to leave. They were in the Apostolic faith for several years. They raised their family in that way.

But when us kids became teenagers, my mom and dad started slipping in their commitment to the church and God. They eventually left the Apostolic faith and didn't go to church anywhere for many years.

I stayed in church even after my parents left. I never understood why they left it. I was angry at them over it. Years later, I finally got up the nerve and asked my parents why they made the choice to leave. They both said that they never felt saved. They felt like it didn't matter what they did, it was never enough.

It didn't matter if they were baptized, talked in tongues and tithed. It didn't matter if they were committed and faithful. They were always led to believe they needed to do more. They left the church because they got tired of feeling defeated. That they weren't good enough. That they were always just one little mistake away from death and Hell.

There was no joy in their lives.

For a long time I thought they said these things as an excuse to sin. But here I am, years later, and I feel the same way now they did back then.

It's never enough. No matter what I do, it's never enough. Someone is always standing by to tell me my service is not enough, my giving is not enough and the way I dress is not enough.

Someone is sizing up my kids to see if they measure up. Someone is judging my productivity. Someone is gauging my worship. And no matter how well I do, it's never enough.

There's no joy in this way.

I don't have that problem...and I am Apostolic. My salvation rests in Jesus, what He did, by faith.

Praxeas · #16 07-10-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

This was my problem with Pentecostalism too. Amazing the transformation that happen to me when I actually started reading the bible for myself.

The gospel is good news and jam packed with promises for the children of God. Most Apostolic churches focus on Acts 2:38 as the gospel and this false foundation leads to all sorts of issues.

Has nothing to do with acts 2:38. It has to do with peformance oriented churches and pastors.

KWSS1976 · #17 07-10-2009, 03:26 PM

Prax your salvation rest in what he did,,not what you do...is that what I take from your post...

Praxeas · #18 07-10-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Prax your salvation rest in what he did,,not what you do...is that what I take from your post...

yes

KWSS1976 · #19 07-10-2009, 03:32 PM

ok just making sure I understood you reply thanks prax

deltaguitar · #20 07-10-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Would it surprise you that I agree?

Howbeit, there is much in the Gospels about the believer's responsibility: Working out their own salvation, pictures of a prodigal son making up his mind and coming home, hearing the call -- and following, hearing of the promise of the father -- and making it to Jerusalem... in fact, the word repentance in the original indicates the believer's responsibility to change their direction, placing their faith in Christ.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Has nothing to do with acts 2:38. It has to do with peformance oriented churches and pastors.

Don't have time to explain but I think we can all agree that when to much emphasis is placed on Acts 2:38 and our faith is in Acts 2:38 it can lead to unhealthy saints.

Prax, do you know any Apostolic churches that aren't works based. Sure, the pastor might not preach it but the culture is one that glorifies works.