What If You Had Been Born Hitler???

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's not a matter of if WE are more worthy. It's a matter of what God thinks.

Which of course brings me to the same point I have to make over and over with you, what matters is not how emotional an argument you can make, but what the bible says

BTW...why are you so obsessed with this topic? Is it important for our salvation? Will it motivate us to go reach more souls?

Because it is the GOOD NEWS, and the traditional view of performance based Christianity it terrible news. Paul calls the gospel the "ministry of reconciliation" because God is not imputing man's sins against him, because He has already judged Jesus for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, it has motivated me to reach more souls, due to the fact that each and every human being is valuable and precious to Him.

BTW: there are many folks over the centuries that believe that the bible does in fact support the eventual redemption of every one of His lost sheep.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Because it is the GOOD NEWS, and the traditional view of performance based Christianity it terrible news. Paul calls the gospel the "ministry of reconciliation" because God is not imputing man's sins against him, because He has already judged Jesus for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, it has motivated me to reach more souls, due to the fact that each and every human being is valuable and precious to Him.

BTW: there are many folks over the centuries that believe that the bible does in fact support the eventual redemption of every one of His lost sheep.

Christianity is not performance based. It is faith based

The Gospel IS the ministry of reconcilliation, not the ministry of universal reconcilliation

Why would it when everyone is saved no matter anyways?

That there were many folks that believed it does not make it true.

Again truth stands on the scriptures. If you are wrong, what does that mean for you?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Christianity is not performance based. It is faith based

The Gospel IS the ministry of reconcilliation, not the ministry of universal reconcilliation
Why would it when everyone is saved no matter anyways?

That there were many folks that believed it does not make it true.

Again truth stands on the scriptures. If you are wrong, what does that mean for you?

Jesus came to save "that which was lost..." I believe that would includes us all.

It matters a great deal, God as great purpose for those that believe NOW, plus the fact that it is advisable to avoid the refiner's fire.

BTW: Have I mentioned that scripture supports universal reconcilication?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Jesus came to save "that which was lost..." I believe that would includes us all.

I matters a great deal, God as great purpose for those that believe NOW, plus the fact that it is advisable to avoid the refiner's fire.

BTW: Have I mentioned that scripture supports universal reconcilication?

I agree it includes us too. Yet many are called but few are chosen.

Take the parable of the sower of the word and the good and bad ground. Not everyone receives.

The refiners fire burns off the impure. Those going into the fire are impure. They are removed from the children of light

BTW Scripture does not support Universal reconciliation. However just saying it does over and over and resorting to stories of emotion does not prove that it does.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I agree it includes us too. Yet many are called but few are chosen.

Take the parable of the sower of the word and the good and bad ground. Not everyone receives.

The refiners fire burns off the impure. Those going into the fire are impure. They are removed from the children of light

BTW Scripture does not support Universal reconciliation. However just saying it does over and over and resorting to stories of emotion does not prove that it does.

Nor does you saying the that scripture doesn't support UR, make it true.

Let's see: The all knowing God, all powerful God created a world and then He created living beings to dwell in this world. Oh, yeah He also IS LOVE.

Now He had a plan to bring these beings into MATURE and TRUE relationship with Himself, in doing so He determined that it would require the exposure to both good and evil, this would include some very dark and painful times for His created beings. Yet after this time of pain and darkness, as in human child birth, the "joy set before him and His creation" is well worth the temporary pain and sadness.

Let's see the traditional view: The all knowing God, all powerful God created a world and then He created living beings to dwell in this world. Oh, yeah He also IS LOVE.

But a terrible thing happened, an evil creature out of nowhere shows up and interrupts the plans of Almighty God. God is powerless to stop the onslaught, so creates a plan B....you know the rest of the traditional story....bottom line most of His creation is lost to this evil enemy, and because He can't defeat this enemy He just creates a torture pit to supernaturally burn and torture this enemy, and his lost creation or He just tortures them awhile and then burns them to a crisp.

Make no mistake, Praxeas this is a very emotive story, and has no basis in the true Word or in the nature of our Heavenly Father of all power, and love. THE FIRE THAT COMES FROM GOD ONLY BURNS THE CHAFF AND THE DROSS, THE GOLD AND SILVER OF HIS CREATION IS PURIFIED. Mal. 3:3: Says He is a 'refiners fire' , that should give us a hint of His intentions.

I believe the traditional view is no where near what scripture teaches, rather is the ideas of men, born out of desire for power and control. Evil to the core.